Sami Jamil Jadallah - What is wrong with the Palestinians? A whole lot.
By Sami Jamil Jadallah • Jul 25th, 2009 at 13:11 • Category: Analysis, Culture and Heritage, Israel, Newswire, Palestine, Religion, Resistance, Somoud: Arab Voices of Resistance, Zionism
There is something very wrong with people who claim to be smart, intelligent, educated, hard working, honest, nationalists, and decent to accept such a stupid, corrupt, incompetent, reckless, useless leadership and organization for the last 45 years that failed at everything it set out to do -turning the PLO to a manager and contractor of the Jewish Occupation with leadership that at best can be described as self serving, racketeering mafia that made financial fortunes for itself and members of their families fleecing national treasury, while claiming to represent and lead the Palestinian people toward liberation and independence. The Palestinians remain under Occupation till now.
There is something very wrong with people who never held the leadership accountable for its failing, for lack of accountability and transparency, for the numerous disasters that befell the Palestinians in exile and under Occupation, where tens of billions wasted, tens of billions remain unaccounted for, where tens of thousands perished and died in the cause of liberation and where hundreds of thousands were exiled (Kuwait) and lost everything because of the reckless and irresponsible behavior of the leadership.
There is something wrong with people where “intellectuals” who are supposed to be the conscious of the nation and guardians of the people’s interests and rights collude with Arafat, the PLO and Fatah leadership and remained silent while witnessing firsthand the abuse of power and authority by Arafat, lack of collective leadership, lack of financial accountability, lack of holding the leadership and officers responsible for the many repeated failures.
There is something wrong with intellectuals who became self serving of a system that corrupted their body and soul. Rather than standing up for the people’s rights, became a tool and apologists for a failed leadership. They simply sat on their face all these years while knowing the PLO and its leadership are nothing more than a lie, a fraud, bunch of crooks and thieves, unfit to lead let alone liberate. The failures and the mess we see today did not take place overnight. They were there years ago, when Arafat became the sole dictator, dispensing financial favors for loyalty, making sure that all those around him are “eunuchs” with no voice bought and sold with money and privilege and subordinated powers accepting personal insults and humiliations by the “Old Man”.
There is something wrong with a business community and leadership failed to dedicate its money, access to power to building a viable economy with professional and skilled jobs for the people it chose collusion with a corrupt and failed leadership, benefiting from the corrupt leadership of Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority with rewards of monopolies and business opportunities that added billions to their wealth while the rest of the people could hardly have a decent job to live on. A business leadership that “cornered” wealth rather than “spreading” wealth, robbing average small entrepreneurs from business opportunities, becoming part of the mafia that is the Palestinian Authority.
There is something with leaders of so-called “civil societies” that rather than serving the general interest of the people and public became self serving of their own pockets accumulating substantial wealth from donations they get from foreign donors anxious to do some good for the miserable people of Palestine. So many leading names became corrupted by access to Arafat and the Palestinian Authority and the business opportunities created through such relations that they became silent and blind, failing to speak out on corruption, incompetence, ineptness, abuse of power and authority, civil rights abuse, never speaking out for accountability and transparency in government and public service, muzzled by the dollars they get. To them the Occupation is a business, a big business.
There is something wrong with people and their so called representative (PNC) who never demanded any sort of accountability and who never held the leadership responsible for it failures and mistakes in Jordan, in Lebanon, in Tunis, in Kuwait.
There is something wrong with people who failed to demand accountability and public inquiry into the many massacres committed against the Palestinian people in Tal-Zaater, in Sabra and Shatilla, in Jenin, in Hebron. Who would believe that Israel’s of Begin form a public and independent commission to hold hearing into the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla but says nothing about Palestinian leadership’s failures to hold a similar hearing? Something very wrong with such people and such leadership.
Who would believe that the leadership never made public accounting of the billions at its disposal, people’s money, with no accounting of SAMED Industries, no accounting of tens of billions of investments in Africa, in Europe, North America and the Middle East with no one knowing what happened to these tens of billions? And more troublesome is the deafening silence as they see and witness financial corruption and thefts of public funds on a daily basis.
Who would believe that Israel charges its hero and prime minister, Rabin, with failing to adhere to its laws limiting bank accounts of officials outside Israel, forcing him to resign yet accept Yasser Arafat's private and personal decision to transfer millions of dollars of the “people’s money” to the private accounts of his wife so she can enjoy the high standard of living in Paris. Israel dismisses its prime minister over few thousand dollars while the Palestinians worship a man who robbed them blind and failed them.
Who would believe the Palestinian accept a leader who agrees and accept hundreds of millions transferred into his personal and private account, money collected by Israel from taxes it collects on Palestinian imports, rather than having all the funds going to the people’s treasury?
Who would accept but Palestinians their leaders to have public money deposited into private accounts of their leader’s entrusted to retired Mossad agents and crooked bankers in France and in Switzerland? Why Israel punishes its leaders for keeping several thousands of dollars in foreign accounts, yet the Palestinians do not demand to know where are the billions hidden and lost in the private accounts of Arafat.
Who would believe that there are so many traitors, informers and collaborators working for and on behalf of the occupying enemy making it very possible for Israel to target and assassinate key leadership such as Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Abdul-Aziz Rantisi, Engineer Abuy-Ayash and many many more resistance fighters gunned downed in cold blood based on information and intelligence provided by members with Hamas and Fatah?
Who would believe there are tens of thousands of such collaborators and informers within the highest levels of government of Hamas, Fatah, and Palestinian Authority to the drivers of the donkey carts in the streets of Gaza or Nablus?
Who would believe that Palestinians accept, say nothing and do nothing about having to wait for hours and days, by the hundreds of thousands if not millions at more than 650 security checkpoints while more than 3,000 VIPs of Fatah, PLO and Palestinian Authority speed through these Israeli security points? One has to wonder what kind of people the Palestinians are made of and what kind of a leadership that negotiate for itself such privilege while the people its suppose to represent languish for hours and days at these humiliating and degrading security checkpoints with so many women, sick and very young dying while waiting to go through. I am sure the leadership is very proud of its achievements for itself. It never cared about the people when in Beirut, Tunis and now Ramallah.
One has to wonder what kind of people that accept a leadership that promised liberation for 45 years, only to come back as manager and partner with the occupation. A leadership that continues to meet and negotiate while Israel continues to expropriate and steal more and more land for its settlements, while settlers are terrorizing village and destroying farms, with some 70,000 Palestinians under virtual 25 hours curfew in Hebron and does nothing to chase this leadership out of Ramallah?
Abbas’s partner Olmert succeeded to build 2,500 housing units in settlements, 400 Km of the Apartheid Wall, while Abbas, Saeb, Quari and Abed-Rabou were having regular visits and drinks with Olmert, Livni and Barak. They even met with these killers and murderers after the war on Gaza.
Who would believe that leaders from around the world make the efforts to visit Gaza to see the devastation caused by the Palestinian Authority negotiating partners yet not Abbas, not one single leaders of the Ramallah authority bothers to make the efforts to visit Gaza?
Who would believe that Palestinians accept the lies of both Hamas and Fatah as they talk of liberation when the only thing they are interested in is “who gets what of the financial pie” that is the Jewish Occupation?
Who would believe the lies of Hamas that it is Israel that detonated a truck load of explosive during a “Resistance Ceremony” killing some 40 innocent people and lies about its reckless and irresponsible behavior and total disregards of the people’s safety and security as it parked the loaded truck next to the people?
Who would believe that a leadership like Hamas turns the absolute and honorable right to resist and fight the occupation including armed means, into an act of ‘terror” through the reckless, irresponsible and immoral use of “suicide bombings” that kills innocent people, yes innocent people in cafes, buses and restaurants and turned resistance into a self serving business, with families celebrating the death of a son in a suicide mission rather than celebrating his or her life and graduation from college, making families accept “blood money” from such killers and murderers like Saddam. It is one thing to carry a gun and shoot and kill an Israeli soldiers or an armed settler in the Occupied Territories, it is another thing to murder people on a bus in Tel-Aviv. Hamas leadership blurred the lines between what is right and what is wrong, and what is honorable and legitimate resistance and acts of terror. Hamas reckless behavior and leadership deprived the Palestinians from such a noble right to fight and resist the Occupation. Hamas failed to liberate and managed to pull the rugs and legitimacy from underneath legitimate armed resistance.
Who would believe that smart and intelligent people believe that the useless worthless Qassam rockets will liberate Gaza and that Hamas fighters will defend the people of Gaza when in fact such irresponsible resistance managed to kill not more than a dozen Israel soldiers while Israel managed to destroy some 30,000 homes made more than 500,000 homeless and killed some 1,800? Where is the smart intelligent resistance? Certainly it is not in Gaza. Why does Hamas leadership put the fate and lives of millions of people in the hands of reckless, irresponsible resistance fighters and fails to take charge and fails to take responsibility for its failed strategy?
One has to wonder what kind of people the Palestinians are for accepting the daily abuse and misuse of power and authority by the Palestinian Authority Security Forces with a mission to protect the soldiers and settlers of the Occupation, retreating to its barracks when the Israeli army decided to carry out a military operation or an assassination, leaving the Palestinians without any security or safety and open to Israeli fire?
Who would believe that people who suffered for so long under occupation with more than 700,000 spending time in Israel jails since 67, tens of thousands dead at the hands of the Jewish Occupation accept the abuse and criminal behavior of Arafat’s Preventive Security Forces in Gaza and the West Bank where more Palestinians died in its jails than those who died in Israel’s jails? Who would believe that Palestinians accept and remain silent while Arafat and his cronies turned the Preventive Security Forces into a mafia, racketeering and protection organizations for its leadership and officers accumulating millions in the process? Who would believe that the leadership and commanders of the Preventive Security Forces, during the shameful and criminal commands of Dahlan and Rajoub, of course with the blessings of Arafat, and who acted so tough and rough subjecting average Palestinians to torture, physical and verbal abuse are rewarded with promotions as they ran away scared, abandoning their posts before the advancing Israeli forces leaving behind their staff and political prisoners locked behind bars? Fulfilling the old saying “assadon alaya wa fel hurubi na’amatun” Loins when it comes to me but an ostrich when it comes to war and enemy.
It is difficult to believe how the PLO leadership of the last 45 years turned and transformed the Palestinian people from a nation and people dedicated to education, hard work with ambitions to become doctors, engineers, lawyers, industrialists and teachers and turned them into unskilled laborers for Israeli market killing their hopes and ambition to have a university degree. Young people now can look forward to joining gangs, joining “Sulta” and join the Palestinian Authority and becomes a security officer or a functionary, dedicated to protecting the Authority, the leadership and the Jewish Occupation?
It is even more difficult to accept the utter silence, bordering on cowardliness where people fails to rise up against such an Authority where more than 80% of the people are below poverty line while the elites; the “returning” leadership enjoys million dinars homes, luxurious cars with drivers for themselves, their wives and mistresses, spending thousand of dinars on dinner and drinks enough to feed several families for a month.
Never understood how brave individuals who faced Israeli tanks and guns with stones and rocks, could become a nations of cowards failing to take up the challenge of popular sustainable and persistent uprising against the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Fatah and against the Israeli Jewish Occupation that lasted some 42 years?
Why are the people so brave before Israeli guns and tanks yet do not take the challenge and march on Ramallah and Gaza and chase the leadership out of office and out of the country?
It is also not so surprising that the Palestinian people accepted the role of refugees, living in miserable camps, with open sewers, waiting for the end of the month to collect their rations of dry milk, flour, and cooking oil from UNRWA rather than take the challenge taking over such services themselves.
No wonder the Palestinian people and leadership became a nation of beggars, “shahadeen”with no self respect and dignity and a leadership of thieves. Too bad for the Palestinian people after being the model of well educated hard working intelligent people they became the laughing stock of the Arabs, and the world. Thanks to such a self serving corrupt incompetent inept leadership of thugs, thieves and collaborators. Never seen a case where a leadership not only failed to liberate but succeed in destroying a people and a dream.
Thank you Yasser Arafat, thank you Mahmoud Abbas, thank you Ahmed Qurai, thank you Farouk Qadoumi, thank you Saeb Eurikat, thank you Yasser Abed-Rabou, thank you Mohamed Dahlan, thank you Jibril Rajoub, thank you Tayeb Abdul-Raheem, thank you Khalid Mishaal, thank you Hakam Balawi and thank you Azzam Al-Ahmed, thank you all for succeeding where Israel failed. For and on behalf of more than 7 million people for your successful dedicated leadership. We deserve you, as you deserve us.
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Dear Sami
I fully agree with al you wrote about Fateh and the old man,
You asked, "Who would believe that Israel charges its hero and prime minister, Rabin, with failing to adhere to its laws limiting bank accounts of officials outside Israel, forcing him to resign yet accept Yasser Arafat's private and personal decision to transfer millions of dollars of the “people’s money”
I BELIEVE, because in case of Rabin, it is Israeli money, while in the case of the old man it not their money and its transferred to their man, Their Jewish man ARAFAT.
Who would believe that ARAFAT, ABU AMMAR, who said "Shaheedan, Sahaheedan" is a Jew?
Don't be surprised. I shall explain how Arafat managed to turn the smart, intelligent, educated, hard working, honest, nationalist Palestinians into a nation of buggers, and many, many into traitors, informers and collaborators working for and on behalf of the enemy. And if you agree with my "Conspiracy" theory, you will find answers for all the question you have asked, and would stop blaming the Palestinian people, the victims of Arafat.
In a famous lecture (after oslo) in London, Hani al-Hassan (an old Fateh Guard, the poltical adviser of Arafat) tried to Justify going to Oslo. He claimed (Hanging Fateh treason on Nasir's hook) that after 1967 war Nasir told Arafat and Fateh leaders close to Arafat: its over, you has no choice other than reaching a peace deal with Israel.
Consequently, according to Al Hassan, after 1967, Fateh decided its time for preparing the Palestinians to accept a peace deal with Isreal.
Based on Al-Hassan's statement, I am one of Palestinians who claimd that, the Massacres of Palestinians, in Black September, in Jordan, in Lebanese civil war, the performance of Fateh during the 1982 war on Lebanon, its alignment with Saddam that lead to the Nakba of half million Palestinian living in Kuwait, starving Palestinians, especially those on the PLO payroll, for several months before Oslo, were steps in the process of preparing the Palestinians for "peace" that paved the way Oslo, and selling Oslo to Palestinians, and the return of "Victorous" Afrafat to Ramallah to achieve what Israeal failed to achive put an end to the First Intifadah.
II am, here, saying Fateh was created to do what it dit during the 51 years (not 45) as you mentioned.
In adopting armed struggle, Fateh put itself to the Left of Nasir and Arab nationalist movement.
Fateh was not the only player, the Syrian Seperation coup funded by Sauda undermined the Liberation Nationalists option, and bosted Fatah and its Palestinian Option.
Both Fateh, based in Syria and, and Pre-assad Syrian regime, pushed, jointly Nasir to 1967 trap, that paved the way in 1969 for:
- Fateh, taking over PLO in Feb, 1969
- Creating the Organization of Islamic Conference in September 25, 1969 to replace Baghdad Pact and undertake the old task of containing the USSR, and the new task of defeating USSR in Afghanistan.
Nasser felt that the pro-western Baghdad Pact posed a threat to Arab Nationalism. As a response, Egypt and Syria united into the United Arab Republic. At that time, 1958 Syria was as described by Patrick Seal, a feather in wind storm. It is Nasir who protected Syria from the wind storm blowing from Iraq, Turkey, and Lebanon.
The United Arab Republic boasted 1958 revolution in Iraq.
"On July 14, 1958, the Iraqi monarchy was overthrown in a military coup. The new government was led by General Abdul Karim Qasim who withdrew from the Baghdad Pact, opened diplomatic relations with Soviet Union and adopted a non-aligned stance; Iraq quit the organization shortly thereafter. The organization dropped the Baghdad Pact moniker in favor of CENTO at that time."
"The toppling of a pro-Western government in the Iraq 14 July Revolution, along with the internal instability, caused President Chamoun to call for U.S. assistance."
The United Arab Republic boasted also in the same year, 1958, the setting up of the first cells of the Fateh movement in Kuwait
The formation of Fatah was the first nail driven in the coffen of Arab nationalist movement at its 1958 peak, and 1967 and the death (poisoning) of Nasir was the last nail.
I remember, and understand how and why, after the the success of Algerians revolution and the 1961 Syrian seperation coup, tens of Palestinian faction have grown like mashrom within Palestinian in Daispora. Mainly in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Gaza. But I failed till this very moment to find a reason for creation of Fatah in 1958 (the peak of Arab nationalism).
All events, many meetings, discussions, I held since early sixties confirmed my old theory.
- I met Mahmoud Abbas, accidently, in 1976 in Lybia, without knowing that he is Fatah member, after presenting my theory in his presence, he said nothing other than cursing Palestinian leaders mainly Habash.
- I met many Fateh Ambasadors, who just commented: Conspiracy theory.
- Few weeks after Camp david 2, one retired Fatah old Guard, who Joined Arafat in Kuwait, told me many, many stories confirming my theory. He mentioned an internal secret Document issued before 1967, about the two state solution. He said, a copy of the document is available with ..... another Ex-Fatah, living in....This document, lead to a coup within Fateh in Kuwait. The Cuop was ended by Fateh fighter brought from Syria A Kuwaiti flight.
- There was always, a big question mark about Arafat, his family, real family name origin. In early 1990's I directly heard, while under arrest from my interrogator, a non-confirmed story, claiming that Arafat is the son of a Jewish family, from Moroco, His grand father, came to Jerusalem in 1928, coverted to Islam, married the daughter of Abu-Assoud (Jerusalem Mofti) in order to stay in Jerusalem). Arafat's Father business was selling Jewish Head cover, his shop was burned, and he left to Gaza, then to Egypt. His son Yesir was born in a Jewish neighbourhood (Hay Assakakini) in Cairo.
- Few years ago, I accidently met Arafat's Egyption half brother without knowing him in a gethering. One syrian claimed, that Syrian PM Al-Kasim was removed because they fount the Al-Kasim family are Ex-Jews. I commented: Good for them, they knew and took action. We know and don't dare to speakout. I was sitting between Arafat's Half brother and a friend. My friend hit my leg to warm to stop me, but I told my story. After sabout half an hour, we moved to the dining table and the half brother standing on the other side facing me, without telling me his identity, he commented as follows: Anwar Al-Sadat, after hearing the same story, he asked for Arafat's family tree. He found Head of Arafat's family was our Prophet Mohamad. I am not making it. I have many witnesses. In short the stupid comment of Arafat's half brother confirmed the un-confirmed story.
- Unlike Cohen (Amin Thabit), the famous spy planted in Syria, Arafat is real and have a real family.
My answer is:
After his great sevices to zionist project, in putting Palestinians on the "Peace track" that lead to Oslo and his "Victorous" return to end the first Intifada, Arafat became a liabilty more than an asset.
In Camp David two, he reached and agreement with Barak, but he needed time sell it to Palestinians, Arabs and Muslems, but he failed to deliver. Barak left the office to Sharon, to complete the "Independance" And Arafat lost controll on the Palestinian street with the second Intifidah.
The asset became a Liability. Zionist Elders decided to keep the profile of Arafat as the "Historic God father of Palestinian Armed Resistance" rather than exposing him and paving the way for a New Fatah leader like Barghouti. Especially with the Bahae Mahmoud Abbas Merza, ready to complete the mission.
A Dead "Palestinian HERO" is better than a living EXPIRED EXPOSED SPY.
A reply to my comment at Palestine Think Tank
Originally Posted By Jeff Blankfort
You are lucky to be alive to tell your tale. I remember speaking in Irbid, Jordan in late July or August of 1970, before Black September to the head of the PLO office in that town and had not yet taken the measure of Arafat. Nasser had reportedly just agreed to the Rogers Plan which dismayed his supporters within Fatah.. I suggested to the PLO and Fatah member in Irbid, naively that Nasser was jealous of Arafat. He said, no, Arafat is jealous of the Palestinian people, that,in fact, Arafat had been selected to be the head of Fatah because he was the least charismatic, the poorest Arabic speaker, and the worst looking of the founding cadre and was the least likely to become a dominating figure like Nasser or Khadfi. Little did they know that he excelled them all in deviance and deceit. Not longer after our conversation, which I had repeated to one, he was purged.
Another and one of the last myths of Arafat was that he was under essentially house arrest by the Israelis in Ramallah and was unable to leave his compound where he would entertain and befuddle international solidarity activists on a routine basis. It was clear going by the compound when I was there in 2003, that there was nothing preventing him from leaving except fear of being confronted with the complaints of "his people." There were no guards, no Israelis anywhere in sight and life went on outside the compound as normally as possible considering the circumstances. The group I was with requested a visit to see the "rais," which was apparently visiting groups were obliged to do and I was looking forward to seeing the old man and ask him why he just didn't leave but his schedule was full and I never got the chance. Being suspicious of everything Arafat did, I noticed on several occasions that when complaints against the lack of democracy in the PA and other problems began building up and inside or not, Arafat was being criticized on the street, the Israelis would start making threatening noises about doing something to him and, of course, the criticism would stop and people would rally around their threatened leader. It's an ancient game and always seems to work.
If one wants further evidence that Arafat was working for the Israelis, this might do the job. The leader of the same group with whom I was in Ramallah had visited Arafat in Tunis during the First Intifada and had seen him a number of times. A conversation about US aid to Israel came up and my friend and her companion were shocked to hear Arafat tell them that he was opposed to stopping US aid to Israel (and for sure, we never have seen any kind of major campaign in the US calling for such an obvious essential measure while he was alive. Add to that, Arafat was very cozy with a former Yeshiva student and ardent Zionist named Alan Solomonow who just retired after many years as the head of the Middle East Desk of the American Friends Service Committee in San Francisco where he had been boycotted for years because of his failure to include Palestinians and other Arab-Americans in the committee that dealt with the region.
Back in the 90s, the Council of Arab Presidents had many meetings with the AFSC leadership, including a visit from one of its top officials in Philadelphia, in an effort to get him replaced, in which I was involved,and the Council was told that they had to work with Solomonow if they chose to work with the AFSC and so they boycotted the organization, as well. (I wrote a long article about this situation for a magazine I edited at the time which, unforunately, has yet to be put online). In any case, the president of the Council sent a long letter to Arafat in Tunis, describing in detail Solomonow's actions that had been detrimental to the interests of the Palestinian cause. They never got an answer, well, at least, not in writing. A couple of months later I saw a picture in a magazine dealing with the Middle East and there was a photo of the two Israeli agents, Arafat and Solomonw with their arms around each other. The title of my article had been, "With friends like these who needs enemies?"
Originally Posted By Sami Jamil Jadallah
Uprooted Palestinian. As a former soldier with JD in law from top ranking school, I believe that people under occupation have every right to fight and resists the occupation by all means including armed means. There is no exception in international law for Jewish Occupation. However smart resistance is a must, not reckless and irresponsible. I think the Palestinians were more effective in resisting the Occupation with rocks and stones during the First Intifada than they were effective during Second Intifada which was ill planned, ill organized and recklessly mismanaged by Arafat and his gangs. Keep in mind that it was Arafat who undermined the First Intifada and was generously rewarded by Israel for putting an end to the Itifada.
As a practicing Muslim, well versed in the Quran and with some intelligence, I do not need the opinions of these �ulamas� with irresponsible �fatwa�s� that gave justifications for murder and killings through suicide bombing whether it is Gaza, Jerusalem, Baghdad or Kabul. These �Ulamas� are the main source of retardation, ignorance, failures, violations of human values and lives in the Muslim world. They have hijacked Islam and gave themselves a role that is simply not there in Islam and became to act like the Rabbis in ancient Israel. I do not need an idiot and a fool to give me a �fatwa� and teach me Islam.
There is a big difference between Hamas and Hezbollah leadership, a very big difference. Hezbollah has a responsible leadership that acts with discipline and have control over its armed staff. Sheik Hassan Nasrallah admitted his mistake not taking into account the consequences for kidnapping Israeli soldiers. Hezbollah gave Israel a fight for its life, Hamas simply allowed Israel to devastate Gaza. Please it is unfair to Hezbollah and its political and military leadership to compare it with Hamas political and military leadership. Yes, Hamas political and military leadership was reckless and irresponsible before, during and after the War on Gaza. Hezbollah never ever used suicide bombings even when Israel was occupying South Lebanon. Suicide bombing if not against Islam and its values, then it is against human value system and morality. Hamas leadership that recruited, trained and set recruits on suicide mission is guilty of cold blooded murder. Hamas that transformed the mourning of a dead son to a celebration to collect a check for $20,000 is as guilty as those who fund such blood money. Well that is my opinion. I am for fighting the Israeli Occupation soldiers and armed settlers but not through suicide bombings. Frankly I think a civil uprising like we saw in Iran and burning of all Israeli issued IDs is a good start, and tattooing Israeli issued numbers on wrest, reminding Israel of its Nazi past is a second good step. All the bravado of Hamas and they managed to kill little more than a dozen of Israeli soldiers. Common please give me a break.
We need to keep in mind that both Hamas and Fatah are not committed to ending the Occupation First, they are committed to their own ideology and agenda first, ending the Occupation will put both Hamas and Fatah and Jihad out of business. Then they have to learn how to build schools, build and operate hospitals, clean garbage, run traffic, have professional police force that respect civil and human rights of citizens. All are simply not ready for that. It is not their agenda to build a nation. It is their agenda to perpetuate their self interest. In the end I think what we need is for the UN to take over releasing our people from being held hostage by Israel, PLO, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, Popular Front, Democratice Front, and Stupid Front.
Originally Posted By Shaukat
It's amusing to read the writer how he pushes all Palestinian groups - Islamists, secular and nationalists - under his imaginary carpet with the same broom. By discrediting everyone - maybe, he is suggesting that the Palestinians have no choice but to live under Zionist/Jewish yoke.
Maybe, the author should open is eyes and tell us which nation is not ruled by corrupt leaders? I am not going to mention Chevez or Ahmadinejad - because both can jolt some sensitive nerves. Afterall, both have not much of respect for the Arab rulers or the USrael - and too bad, Ahmadinejad is a Shia, who supports Hamas and Islamic Jihad while considers Fatah and other nationalist groups working for their personal gains.
The past history of Palestinian resistance have proved again and again - that Palestinian will never regain their land without the help of the non-Arab Muslim Ummah. Without Islam - Arabs have no history of international achievements for the last 1400 years.
Originally Posted By Issam
My question to Sami Jamil Jadallah is: What would have happened to the Palestinian cause should dahlan's mob succeeded in their Gaza coup ? It seems to me that the author is more interested in oslo, road maps, futile peace negotiations and more PA atrocities.As for suicide bombing of innocent people is abhorrent and counter-productive, however, and this is in no way accepting it, should be taken in the proper contexst. While israel, its protectors and its cohorts in the pa, hav a free hand killing innocent Palestinians, as has been demonstrated in Gaza and the WB.
It is healthy to ctiticise a methoodolgy, but failure to provide a workable, reasonable and achievable alternative will certainly lead to the ultimate treason to our Palestinian rights.
A communist, socialist, anarchist, so called progressive, and nationalist solutions, brought us to our current miserable situation. Fire should be faught with fire. Roses & olive branches have been burnt by the occupiers & their gangs. The last 60 years of our Nakba demonstrates the pity state of some of the so called writers & thinkers, they are in great need to shread their blinders in order to see the big picture!
Issam.
Originally Posted By Sami Jamil Jadallah
True, Islamic culture and civilians enriched Arabs and what we think is Arab civilization is in fact Islamic civilization. No one can deny that Islam was and is enriched by non-Arabs who were the backbone of Islamic civilizations from architecture, to science to philosophy, sociology, to mathematics even philosophy. But Islam of the past is not Islam of today. If Islam was to come now, I doubt it will spread beyond Mecca. What we have now is Islam of the Taliban�s, Islam of the terrorists in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq, in Kashmir, in India, in Somalia, in Yemen, and in Indonesia, Islamist terrorists who never built a school, built a hospital or clinic, of even a bakery. Their business is death and not life. I think my long history toward the Jewish Occupation is well established and I do not need any one to teach me or give me lessons on nationalism, on Arabism certainly not on Islam and the Umma. The Muslim world is in such a mess, because illiterate retarded drug blushers have hijacked Islam. I am sure you agree with me, that the terrorists of Pakistan or India or Kashmir or Afghanistan could never build such a magnificent civilization as the one we seen from Spain, to Mali to Iran, to India, and Indonesia. Before Palestinians can call on Umma for help, they need to clean their act. Thank you for your input.
Originally Posted By Sami Jamil Jadallah
Issam.. I suggest you reread the essay to truly understand what I think of Oslo, Road Map, Peace Negotiations. Oslo is nothing more than a management contract between Israel and the PLO, whereby Israel got rid of the First Intifada, got rid of substantial financial burden of funding the civil affairs of the Occupation and passed all the expense to the PLO while keeping the benefits of continued occupation such as expanding settlements and water resources. The PLO got its chance again to do what is was doing all alone, fleecing the national treasury. Oslo was nothing more than financial windfall for Arafat and his cronies to feed their own private bank account. As for Dahlan, has he won in Gaza, it would have given Israel peace and security Fatah agreed and contracted to provide, and he could have made money like never before. Of course he will end up setting a network of barbershops to shave the beards and heads of some 500,000 Hamas members on weekly basis, and could make millions operating such a network of barbershops. Let us keep in mind that it was the American Zionist Jew Elliot Abrams who developed and is considered the Godfather of the Road Map. It was designed so that Israel keep doing what it does best, confiscate land and build settlements and Jewish Roads. Never understood
Originally Posted By Izabella
Hmm. What do you suggest the Palestinian people do to have a change of leaders? Revolt when they have the arab leaders, Us, Europe against them backing the PA? Im not sure that would work.
You know, If the zionists wanted to create a state in some other country then we would see the same scenarios there as these scernarios were planned and set in to action by the enemy (like making sure the mainstram Palestinian organisation would be someone like fateh). It is not fair to blame the Palestinian people for it. And as for corruption, name one arab country where the rulers arent corrupted? You make it sound as if Palestinians are the only arab people that live under a corrupt leadership when that is the case of all the Arabs. Education is still as important to Palestinian (people) as it was before, people are obessesed about education in Palestine, the first thing they ask you is either "what do you study" or "what did you study". of course, that is no thanks to the PA, but it is thanks to the people that you seem to be very angry with for reasons i cant relate to as i dont blame the people for the wrongs comitted by the leadership.
The only way the PA managed to get young men in their security force was by handpicking youngsters with little education to join them by offering them the salary of a doctor and giving them the illusion that they are defending Palestine, of course a young occupied man would accept such an offer.
There are refugee camps in Palestine that are in a better shape than poor areas in Egypt and elsewhere in the Arab world so i dont see how you can make it sound like Palestinians are the failures of Arabs when clearly that is not the reality. I support your harsh tone against the leadership but not against the people that have suffered for a long time, what should they do, start a civil war when there is a good chance it will backfire on them, tarnish their image in the media (that by the way chose to be supportive of mosavis demonstrations for selfish reason and not because they actually cared about the cause).
As for your opinion on suicide bombings, i definatly agree with you on that part and that is one of the reasons why i despite being religious and despite of my hate for fateh and the PA, PLO, Arafat and the corrupted politics crew cant bring myself to consider hamas as the best option for Palestine. They made such a stupid misstake by adopting the suicide bombings (which were actually introduced to Palestine by secular organisations) that i cant see them as a leadership that can deliver what Palestinians need. It is OK to make a misstake, but such a STUPID misstake is not allowed if u claim to be working for the Palestinian cause and people as they were supposed to know better had they really been working for the greater good of Palestine. Even if 100 percent of the Palestinian people had supported it (which of course isent the case), the leadership must reject it and make sure to proove to the people how it is a bad action.
By the way, you should attack the failed leadership in Arabic in a Palestinian website or newspaper as at the end of the day, in order for your message to actually make a change, it has to first be sent to the Palestinians in Palestine and the refugee camps around Palestine. I do respect what you want to say because i believe all you say comes from love for your people, i only disagree with being unfair in your judgement against the people as i have read many purely unfair and racist comments on various websites sent by arabs that hate the Palestinians thanks to the misstakes of mainly fateh and these guys end up writing totally untrue statements and stuff they know nothing about, i dont want them to find ammunition in your article. All the misstakes that exist in Palestine exist in their own countries as well yet they only see the wrongs in Palestine when they have the same misstakes in their own countries taking place and this comes from their hate for Palestinians, none of them mention how Palestinians built Jordan and helped out in the Arab Gulf states like Kuwait, none of them mentions how the top med students in AUB as an example have been Palestinians year after year, (but cant work in Lebanon as doctors) they dont see any of that because they are only interested in seeing bad stuff , like this other day i saw a extremly nationalistic jordanian on youtube that referred to Palestinians as "falasTIZIYE and mokhayamjiye", never mind that Palestinians built up next to everything that fools like him take pride in when it comes to Jordan. Such racists should not be given free ammunition by people like you who have the heart in its right place, that is why i wish you would have chosen your words more carefully.
Ps. My father came back from Nablus recently, he told me everyone he met there hated mahmoud Abbas, and my brother (who also was there recently) used the words "emwall3a ma3on", he was referring to how angry people were with the sulta.
Originally Posted By Sami Jamil Jadallah
Issam.. I suggest you reread the essay to truly understand what I think of Oslo, Road Map, Peace Negotiations. Oslo is nothing more than a management contract between Israel and the PLO, whereby Israel got rid of the First Intifada, got rid of substantial financial burden of funding the civil affairs of the Occupation and passed all the expense to the PLO while keeping the benefits of continued occupation such as expanding settlements and water resources. The PLO got its chance again to do what is was doing all alone, fleecing the national treasury. Oslo was nothing more than financial windfall for Arafat and his cronies to feed their own private bank account. As for Dahlan, has he won in Gaza, it would have given Israel peace and security Fatah agreed and contracted to provide, and he could have made money like never before. Of course he will end up setting a network of barbershops to shave the beards and heads of some 500,000 Hamas members on weekly basis, and could make millions operating such a network of barbershops. Let us keep in mind that it was the American Zionist Jew Elliot Abrams who developed and is considered the Godfather of the Road Map. It was designed so that Israel keep doing what it does best, confiscate land and build settlements and Jewish Roads. Never understood why Saeb always insists on adhering to the Road Map as developed by Elliot Abrams.
Originally Posted By Sami Jamil Jadallah
Izabella� thank you. I do not care about corruption within the Arab world, they are not under occupation and I am not my brother�s keeper. I am focused on Palestine and ending the Jewish Occupation. Yes, I think the Palestinians should march on Ramallah with sticks and stones and chase Mahmoud Abbas and all of the PA, Fatah and PLO out of Ramallah and I would suggest the same thing the people of Gaza should do. Then they should call on the UN to come in and take over from Israel, the Palestinian Authority and then Hamas in Gaza. They should demand the opening of Gaza sea port and keep access to Egypt and Israel closed for ever. Civil uprising that does not quit until the Occupation end. As for Arab media.. No one will ever print such criticism of the Palestinian people or authority not even Alquds Alarabi of London. I am convinced that the Palestinian Trio of Arafat, Abbas and Qurai all colluded with Israel to keep the Occupation going while becoming managers. One has to wonder where Fatah gets the money to support and pay its some 30,000 active members if it does not skim money for the people�s budget. Nabil Amr (remember PA thugs shot him, his leg was amputated and he never demanded to know who did it? I guess the price was right), just admitted the need for self financing and funding of Fatah and the money can only come from Israel in exchange for service rendered such as �down payment� on prime land forming the main settlement blocks as suggested by Qurai or by stealing the money from the national treasury. If the people have any respect or dignity they would have chased the Ramallah leadership out long time ago.
Originally Posted By Al khansa
I always find people who have to quote their qulaifications tp make a point, a trifle boorish..
and I have to wonder about the motivations here...
Love them or hate them......Hamas, in the words of .Interior Minister Fathi Hammad
�We managed to achieve what was not achieved by 22 Arab states when we say �No, we will not give up our rights to the USA and Israel,��
As for the suicide bombing.....people left with little choice will do what they will to make a point...
Originally Posted By uprooted palestinian
"As a practicing Muslim, well versed in the Quran and with some intelligence, I do not need the opinions of these �ulamas�
Sami
You are repeating my words, " I claim that I know Islam quite well and don't need fatwas from anybody.", Since you are well versed in the Quran. I would like to draw your attention to some verses instructing yous to fight aganst those who started the fight against you. To slay them wherever you find them, and drive them out of the places they drove you out , And to attack them like manner as they attacked you .
2.190 . Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you , but begin not hostilities . Lo! Allah loveth not , aggressors .
2.191 . And slay them wherever ye find them , and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out , for persecution is worse than slaughter . And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there , but if they attack you ( there ) then slay them . Such is the reward of disbelievers .
2.192 . But if they desist , then lo! Allah is Forgiving , Merciful .
2.193 . And fight them until persecution is no more , and religion is for Allah . But if they desist , then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers .
2.194 . The forbidden month for the forbidden month , and forbidden things in retaliation . And one who attacketh you , attack him like manner as he attacked you . Observe your duty to Allah , and know that Allah is with those who ward off ( evil ) .
So, sami, Quran instruct you to fight your occupier, untill ending the occupation, and I assume you agree with me that the so called Isarel is also a Palestinian occupied land. Setllers are not only those occupying 1967 land. Consequentely, I consider all "peacful jews" even our friend Uri, they are settler until they go to where they come from.
Human Freedom is the first pillar of Islam, God created you and me free even to deny his existance, and therefore I am against anybody who picks the above verses out its historical context, to divide the world in Dar Al Islam and Dar Al Harb.
I fully agree with what you wrote about "âlulamas" being the main source of retardation, ignorance, failures, violations of human values and lives in the Muslim world. They have hijacked Islam and gave themselves a role that is simply not there in Islam and became to act like the Rabbis in ancient Israel. I do not need an idiot and a fool to give me a â��fatwaâ�� and teach me Islam." but it's unfail to generalize. I call them Ulama aLsultan. Its not them who hijacked Islam,
Islam was Hijacked by Moawiya 30 years after the death of our prophet. I shall e-mail you a part of my deserted Draft of a book wriiten several years ago, to know where I stand.
Yes there is a big ideological difference between Hezbollah, and Hamas, and its politics, and resistance that btoght them together.
Since 1400 years Suna were the Rulling Party, and shea were the opposition Party. Shea, are looking foward prepairing the stage for the appearance of Mahdi, like the Jews christoan zionists preparing the stage for the appearance of Messeeh, While Sunna are looking backwords to Sadre Al Islam.
Politically, yes there is a big diffreance in discipline and control over armed staff. But again it is unfair to compare, Gaza Getto with Lebanon open to Syria and Tahran. Geopolitics acted all the time for Hezbollah and acted all the time against Hamas. Should I remined you what Hasralla said about learning from palestinians and building on it. Should I remind you what he said and promised during the war in Gaza. to be fair, and taking into consideration Gaza conditions, topograhy, neigbours, logistics, the internal fifth pillars, I would say that Hamas performed better than HEZBOLLA in July war.
Finally, I agree, the first intifadah is great, But Sami, the first intifada is history now, Arafat retuned to end that Intifada, and his PA was created to prevent a second intifada fighting occupation with stones.
I would add If arafat stayed in Tonis, Israel would have left Gaza without condition, like it did in Lebanon several years after.
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