Monday, 22 September 2008

War in Georgia: The Israeli connection




A Very Important Story


"For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice.

The fighting which broke out over the weekend between Russia and Georgia has brought Israel's intensive involvement in the region into the limelight. This involvement includes the sale of advanced weapons to Georgia and the training of the Georgian army's infantry forces.

The Defense Ministry held a special meeting Sunday to discuss the various arms deals held by Israelis in Georgia, but no change in policy has been announced as of yet......

Israel began selling arms to Georgia about seven years ago following an initiative by Georgian citizens who immigrated to Israel and became businesspeople.

"They contacted defense industry officials and arms dealers and told them that Georgia had relatively large budgets and could be interested in purchasing Israeli weapons," says a source involved in arms exports.

The military cooperation between the countries developed swiftly. The fact that Georgia's defense minister, Davit Kezerashvili, is a former Israeli who is fluent in Hebrew contributed to this cooperation.

"His door was always open to the Israelis who came and offered his country arms systems made in Israel," the source said. "Compared to countries in Eastern Europe, the deals in this country were conducted fast, mainly due to the defense minister's personal involvement."

Among the Israelis who took advantage of the opportunity and began doing business in Georgia were former Minister Roni Milo and his brother Shlomo, former director-general of the Military Industries, Brigadier-General (Res.) Gal Hirsch and Major-General (Res.) Yisrael Ziv.

Roni Milo conducted business in Georgia for Elbit Systems and the Military Industries, and with his help Israel's defense industries managed to sell to Georgia remote-piloted vehicles (RPVs), automatic turrets for armored vehicles, antiaircraft systems, communication systems, shells and rockets.

According to Israeli sources, Gal Hirsch gave the Georgian army advice on the establishment of elite units such as Sayeret Matkal and on rearmament, and gave various courses in the fields of combat intelligence and fighting in built-up areas........

Georgian minister: Israel should be proud


"The Israelis should be proud of themselves for the Israeli training and education received by the Georgian soldiers," Georgian Minister Temur Yakobashvili said Saturday.

Yakobashvili is a Jew and is fluent in Hebrew. "We are now in a fight against the great Russia," he said, "and our hope is to receive assistance from the White House, because Georgia cannot survive on its own.

"It's important that the entire world understands that what is happening in Georgia now will affect the entire world order. It's not just Georgia's business, but the entire world's business."

One of the Georgian parliament members did not settle Saturday for the call for American aid, urging Israel to help stop the Russian offensive as well: "We need help from the UN and from our friends, headed by the United States and Israel. Today Georgia is in danger – tomorrow all the democratic countries in the region and in the entire world will be in danger too.""
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Putin accuses Georgia of genocide
Press TV


South Ossetia refugees on their way to Russia

"Russian Premier Vladimir Putin arrived in the capital of North Ossetia, and called Georgia's acts in South Ossetia a species of "genocide".

While in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, Putin said, "The actions of the Georgian leadership in South Ossetia are a crime and foremost they are a crime against their own people because a deadly blow has been delivered to the territorial integrity of Georgia, which brings massive damage to its national identity."

Putin continued, "It's hard to imagine after all that had happened and after all that is still happening they'll be able to convince South Ossetia to be part of Georgia."

The impact of what he saw led him to call for an investigation into alleged acts of genocide by Georgian forces during their offensive against South Ossetia, AFP reported.

Putin told President Dmitry Medvedev in comments that were broadcast on Sunday on Russian television that the incidents that were described by the refugees, "lie beyond the framework of understanding of military actions."

He continued by saying, "In my opinion they are already elements of some kind of genocide of the Ossetian people. I think it would be correct if you instruct the military prosecutor to document all such incidents."......."

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Georgia clashes threaten EU oil supplies
War in the Caucasus: Towards a Broader Russia-US Military Confrontation?
In Georgia Clash, a Lesson on U.S. Need for Russia
The Pipeline War: Russian bear goes for West's jugular
Bush, Cheney Increasingly Critical of Russia Over Aggression in Georgia
Getting Georgia’s War On
Why Words Matter: Final Thoughts on the Caucasus War
On Slog to Safety, Seething at West
The Real Aggressor
Big Russian flotilla led by Admiral Kuznetsov carrier heads for Syrian port
The Saakashvili experiment
Syria seeks weapons deal with Russia amid 'Cold War' ripples
Report: US pressuring Israel to halt talks with Syria
The Eurasian Corridor: Pipeline Geopolitics and the New Cold War
What Israel Lost in the Georgia War
Israel Was to Attack Iran from Georgia: Report
NATO Attack on Abkhazia, S.Ossetia is War on Russia
Russia Recognises S.Ossetia, Abkhazia As Independent
War in Ossetia: "Wag the Dog"
Ukraine's Coalition Splits Over Power, Georgia
Israel Planned To Use Georgia Airbases In Iran Attack

US Contractors Training Georgian Military in Acts of Sabotage

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Raja Chemayel is delayed at the Amsterdam Airport because he had in his hand-luggage. ..... five kilos of Truth and six kilos of sarcasm , so the customs officers have arrested him......... ...

so I arrived home before him now and I am sending this message
before he comes and without his consent .......


Moustafa Roosenbloom


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George, Georgia
and
Geography on my mind


Just look at a Map and you realise where is Georgia
and how far is the republic of Georgia..... .......from the State of Georgia (US) .


Never mind when the President of Georgia would be a Western-puppet ,or not,
you cannot remove Georgia from the Black Sea and from its neighbours.


Also when Georgia slaughters 1200 of its own Ossetian-citizens
on the first day of the conflict you cannot blame the Russian Army
of coming to protect a massacred-minority.


Obviously it is :


A Banana-republic between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea
is thought a lesson in human rights by a most powerful neighbour
which at least deserve some respect, even when Georgia would like
to enter the NATO (New American Totalitarian Organisation)

Entering the NATO does not allow genocides,
even when Condi Rice likes Georgia and George too .

Genocides are applicable and acceptable only for Muslim in Kosovo ,
in Bosnia and Herzegovina. .... no to forget Gaza.


So much for the Caucasian scene, the Pipe Line is coming soon
and this means that Georgia is on the World-Map and more over
we should not forget that Israeli-Capital was invested already
to the tune of one Billion Dollars (as a start)

in the birthplace of Joseph Stalin………………
and at the homeland of KHAZARIA.... ........



The Georgian Army is being trained by Israeli-military- instructors
which explains the sudden and brutal massacre of the 1200 Ossetians,
the first 24 hours.


Never mind what I think and write, it is all about irritating the Russian-Bear,
it is all about the passage of Oil from the Caspian Sea to the Black-Sea,
it is all about a new NATO Puppet at the door step of the Tsars of 21st Century.


And the rest is history revisited……..
and Ossetians dying so that oil may flow.
and this is a Banana Republic too far ( or rather too near)



Moustafa Roosenbloom
with Geography on my mind.....
21st of August 2008
(one day before Raja comes!)


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The rapist of Ossetia

There is a lot going on in Georgia ,today :
The European Union is directly interfering ,
the NATO is getting ready to jump in
and the USA is sending humanitarian goods
all mixed with some sophisticated- Radars... ...

( Probably they all want to protect Israel's
newly acquired airfields in Georgia.)

If by chance you have not yet taken sides in this conflict ,
may I remind you that alone on the first day of those latest fighting,
Georgia has killed 1.200 Ossetians
out of an ethnic-minority consisting of 120.000 souls
which is 10% of that minority which Georgia pretends to include
as its "own proper-citizens" .....

I have read this information the first day , and now two weeks later ,
nobody has contested this number nor denied it.....
not even the Georgians have, nor Israel ,nor Rice, nor Fox-News.

So, Please make your own conclusion !!
and take sides , please !!

Eng. Moustafa Roosenbloom
one-sided-news- ethics-critic- analist-observer -investigator
09.09.08

nice legs

How could I complain about any "nice legs" ??
but , it seems to be
the only thing "nice"......about her !!

Yesterday she said :
" I never hesitated one second about going to war
into Iraq" ...unquote

Would you have her as : "Vice-president"
or simply as
the President of all the vices ??



Eng. Moustafa Roosenbloom
private phone-number: 00 708 65 85 99 12
12 September 2008

PS :
With her as Vice-President ,
John Mac Cain will be shot down within a week !!
With her as Vice_President .
the body-guards cannot complain.........


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with such a vice.......you still needs a President ??


Many anti-imperialist, many progressives persons
many anti-capitalist and anti-US-hegemony
all of them wanted in the past to :
f... the US President !


But the times have changed now
and they should review their previous intentions
(or rather review their pretencion's)
because in case John Mac Cain might win this election
they would be much better off if they :
f... the vice-president !!.


Eng. Moustafa Roosenbloom
anti-imperialist , and anti-anything in her case !!
forth of September 2008

the Super-Terrorist


The Spy who came from the secret-slaughterhouse............


Israel gets, today, a new Prime Minister
she did not massacre Palestinian- children in Sabra and Chatilla
like her row-model did......
she did not accept bribery's like her predecessor did
she never did get a Nobel Peace Prize for initiating five wars
like Rabin and Perez...

No sir !! she is completely different !!
she is Lithuanian just like Isaak Rabin was , but
her father was a certified-Irgun- terrorist,
son of another renowned-Hagganah terrorist
which makes her a third-generation-terrorist.. ...

and why do I dare call her " terrorist " ???

Elementary my Dear Watson !!!
she is, herself ,an ex-Mossade-agent- lieutenant
which makes her a supper terrorist.



Sherlock Hommos
Terrorist's biographer ,
20Th of September 2008



PS :


By the way if Mrs. Livni is a "Semite-person "
then my Siberian-Husky- dog...... is a Doberman-dog


The Israeli Gulags

During the Soviet Bolshevik era Jews ran the gulags resulting in an estimated loss of 30 million Christian lives. Now they inflict all their expertise on the unfortunate Palestinians.

The Infinite Violation of Human Rights

Throughout the decades of Israeli military occupation, Palestinians from all walks of life have been illegally detained by Israel. Since the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories in 1967, over 650,000 Palestinians have been detained by Israel. This forms approximately 20% of the total Palestinian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). Considering the fact that the majority of those detained are male, the number of Palestinians detained forms approximately 40% of the total male Palestinian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).

The arrest and detention of Palestinians living within the OPT is governed by a wide-ranging set of military regulations that govern every aspect of Palestinian civilian life. There are now over 1,500 military regulations governing the West Bank and over 1,400 governing the Gaza Strip. The Israeli military commander of the region issues military orders, and the issuance of new orders often remains unknown and become apparent when they are implemented, as the military commander may issue new military regulations at any moment.

Palestinians are tried within Israeli military courts located within Israeli military centers in the OPT. These military tribunals are presided over by a panel of three judges appointed by the military, two of who often do not have any legal training or background. These tribunals rarely fall within the required international standards of fair trial.

In addition to the over 5000 Palestinians who were being held in Israeli prisons by the end of 2002, a large number of Palestinians have been wallowing in Israeli prisons for a number of years prior to this. For example, Ahmed Ibrahim Djbara, Abu Sukker, is 65 years old and the father of six grown children. He has spent the last 26 years of his life in prison. His crime was to fight to bring an end to the occupation. Wives and children of these men, as thousands of others before them, live now in constant fear and agony.

For every Palestinian arrested, the story of a life is torn apart and an entire family broken. Yet the international community remains relatively silent in the face of Israel's illegal detention of Palestinians and the fact that these detainees are often subjected to torture. There is no doubt that peace in the region will never be attained as long as Palestinians are continuously denied their inalienable, fundamental rights. It is difficult to imagine that the sons and daughters of these thousands of Palestinians will one day forget what they suffered when their loved ones were thrown behind prison bars.

The Geneva Conventions, the International Convention for Political and Civil Rights and the Convention against Torture and Cruel and Inhuman Treatment, all prohibit the use of torture, inhuman and degrading treatment, without exception. Israel has consistently violated international laws in this regard. Detention conditions enforced by Israel do not conform to the UN Minimum Standard Rules of the Treatment of Detainees, nor to the Principles of the Protection of all persons under all form of detention or imprisonment, or the Basic Principles of Treatment of Prisoners. These legal instruments bind Israel as they form regulations to treaties to which Israeli is a signatory. Instead of applying these laws formed by the community of nations, Israel blatantly continues in its systematic policy of torture of Palestinian detainees. Rather than hide this fact, it openly discusses it within its parliament, the Knesset. In addition, Palestinians are tried in military tribunals in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, according to military regulations governing the area, often by soldier judges who do not hold adequate legal experience.

In November 2001, UN Committee Against Torture reminded Israel that there is no justification for the use of torture in any circumstances. Use of torture is an grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention (articles 31-32, 146-147). Furthermore, the 4th Geneva Convention forbids the transfer of detainees outside the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Article 76 states that "all protected person accused of an offense must be detained within the occupied country and if they are sentenced, they have to serve the sentence within it." However, Israel has continued to detain Palestinians in prisons throughout Israel, far from their families, who almost never obtain the necessary permits to leave the Occupied Palestinian Territories, which have become a large prison for the entire Palestinian community.

Thousands of Palestinian men, women and children are in prison because of their refusal to accept foreign occupation. They must be released and allowed to rejoin their families in order to reintegrate their political and social life within the Palestinian State-to-be. Anyone who holds that 'reforms' or political negotiations can be effective without including all sectors of the Palestinian society fool themselves into missing a historical opportunity to allow for real, lasting reforms in Palestinian society. The time has come to open the prison gates, and allow Palestinians to decide their own future.
The Process of Arrest

The mass arrest campaigns conducted by the IDF beginning March 2002, within just a few months, resulted in the detention of approximately 15 000 Palestinians, mostly men, but also women and children. In a blink of an eye, entire villages were emptied of all men over the age of 15. Israeli imposed curfews also prevented those whom had been released from reaching their families for several days, leaving many families unsure as to whether their loved ones had been released, rearrested or killed.

Arrest can happen anywhere and everywhere: at home (often followed by the ransacking of family homes, threats against family members and sometimes the destruction of the house), on streets or roads, at Israeli checkpoints, and, as was witnessed during the most recent Israeli invasions, in any public or private place.

Upon arrest, detainees are usually handcuffed and blindfolded. They are not informed of the reason for their arrest, nor are they told where they will be taken. Physical abuse and humiliation of the detainee by Israeli forces is common. Based on numerous sworn affidavits, detainees have reported that they have been submitted to attempted murder, rape, thrown down stairs while blindfolded, amongst many other forms of physical abuse. During the arrest, detainees have often been forced to strip in public before being arrested. Family members have also been forced to remove their clothes in house to house arrest campaign raids.


Conditions of detention


Regulations Governing Detention and Arrest
The Israeli Prison Ordinance (revised 1971) consists of 114 clauses. However, there is no clause or sub-clause defining prisoners' rights. The Ordinance provides a legally binding set of rules for the Minister of Interior, but the Minister formulates these rules himself by administrative decree. There is no provision stipulating obligations incumbent upon the authorities, nor is there a clause guaranteeing prisoner's minimum standards of life.

In Israel, it is for example legally permissible to intern 20 inmates in a cell no larger than 5m long, 4m wide and 3m high. This space includes an open lavatory. The minimum standard in American and European prisons is 10.5 square meters per detainee. Prisoners may be confined indefinitely to such cells for 23 hours a day.

The Shabas - Israeli prison service - is in charge of investigating cases of abuse in prison but it is difficult to determine whether their intervention helps or worsens the situation.

Infrastructure
There are approximately 24 detention centers in which Palestinian political prisoners are held in Israeli custody, scattered throughout the 1948 borders of Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. There are a total of 5 interrogation centers, 7 detention/holding centers, 3 military detention camps, and 9 prisons in which Palestinians from the OPT are held. The location of prisons within Israel and the transfer of detainees to locations within the occupying power's territory are illegal under international law and constitute a war crime. The Fourth Geneva Convention explicitly states that "Protected persons accused of offences shall be detained in the occupied country, and if convicted they shall serve their sentences therein." (Article 47) There are only two military detention centers and one military detention camp located within the OPT.

Some of these detention centers are buildings, while others are merely tents erected within military camps. Archaic prisons from the British mandate period have been reopened, such as the Ketziot Military Detention Camp in the Negev desert. Old, threadbare tents have been set up within this detention camp, exposing detainees to extreme weather conditions. Zinc huts house rudimentary hygiene facilities. At Ofer Military Detention Camp, located south of Ramallah, oil soiled hangars formerly used for military vehicles serve as holding areas for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. Negev, Ofer and Megiddo are all infested with flies, parasites, rats and other vermin.

All of these detention centers are extremely overcrowded. Detainees sleep on wooden planks covered by thin mattresses. Covers are rare and often provided by the families of detainees and human rights associations when items are allowed to enter the detention facilities. Electricity is sparsely provided and all movement is prohibited after sundown.
Food
Article (20) of the regulation of prisoners' treatment, lower division, under the heading "food" states:

"the administration is to provide each prisoner, during the regular hours, with sufficient, good quality, well prepared nutritious meals that should maintain the health and strength of the prisoners."

The prison's administration is responsible for feeding all prisoners and all prisoners have the right to equal amounts of food. During the past few years, Israel has been encouraging detainees to obtain food from families or to purchase food from the prison canteen. However, the purchasing power of prisoners is radically divergent, and such encouragement by the Israeli authorities is immoral as they are ultimately responsible for providing sufficient food for prisoners. In most cases, it is the prisoners' responsibility to provide more than half of their necessary food, which is problematic as most prisoners come from poor families.

The food provided to Palestinian detainees is insufficient in both quantity and quality. Detainees are usually in charge of preparing their own meals with very little kitchen facilities and utensils. Only wooden and plastic spoons are allowed. The food is of poor quality and provided in small quantities. Between March and May 2002, for example, detainees in military detention camps were provided with frozen food that they were only able to defrost by sunlight. Hot drinks and meals are very rare. Basic food necessities such as olive oil, coffee, and sugar, are provided by detainees' families and human rights associations, when possible. Getting these supplies through Israeli checkpoints is extremely difficult, and it is often lawyers who are able to carry these items in with them to detainees.

Palestinian minors and women are served meals prepared by other detainees. This has resulted in numerous protests from Palestinian women who are being detained with Israeli criminal prisoners.

There are no special dietary considerations made for detainees who suffer chronic illnesses such as diabetes or high blood pressure. Other detainees often share their portions in order to provide them an adequate diet to meet their specific needs.

Hygiene
Detainees are not provided a change of clothing by the prison administration. Those injured during their arrest are forced to stay in blood-soiled clothing for several months, and those who were detained in their night clothes or underwear also do not receive a change of clothing. Soap is rationed by the prison administration, and other personal hygiene items are offered infrequently and are often unsanitary. Hot water is seldom available. For example, each section of 120 detainees at Ketziot Military Detention Camp receives one bar of soap each day, and none on Friday and Saturday.
Mattresses used to sleep on are extremely worn, often from second hand military equipment, with some infested with vermin. Supplies to clean prison sections are offered infrequently and are insufficient. Garbage is removed irregularly, and the sewage system is in extreme disrepair.


Health conditions
A large number of detainees currently imprisoned are either wounded or ill. Many detainees taken in the arrest campaigns starting in March 2002 were injured by bullets during their arrest, particularly those held in Ofer Military Detention Camp. Prison clinics have become renown for offering only aspirin for all health treatments and physicians within the clinics are all soldiers. Health examinations are conducted through a fence, and any necessary surgery or transfer to hospital for additional medical treatment is usually postponed for long periods of time. Demands made by Israeli organizations to provide health care to detainees have consistently been refused, in addition to petitions made by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).
As a result of the sub-standard conditions of detention, detainees who are released are often faced with chronic health problems such as skin diseases, weakness, kidney pain and ulcers.


Family Visits
Since the beginning of the current Intifada in September 2000, all family visits to detainees from the Occupied Palestinian Territories have been prohibited by Israel. All Palestinian citizens of the West Bank and Gaza Strip require special permits to travel within the 1967 borders of Israel. No such permit has been issued to families of detainees in the past two years. Several petitions have been submitted to the Israeli High Court, but have been systematically rejected. The ICRC has organized group visits in the past, but with great difficulty. In some instances, for example with detainees in Ketziot prison, during the last months of 2002 the ICRC refused to comply with Israel's restrictions on visits and therefore was not been able to organize these visits.

Palestinian detainees are isolated from the outside world, with access to books, TV, and radios usually prohibited. Mail is strictly controlled.

Telephone Calls
The majority of prisons throughout the world ensure the basic right of prisoners to make phone calls to their families and lawyers. In Israel, a common criminal has the right to make such phone calls, but Palestinian or Arab security prisoners are deprived from such a right for security reasons. Even in humanitarian situations such as bereavement, prisoners are deprived of the right to pay their respects by phone. Prisoners have demanded this right many times but their requests have continuously been rejected.

The Use of Torture during Interrogation and Detention
The ruling of the Israeli High Court of Justice on 6 September 1999, following a petition by human rights organizations to ban the use of torture during interrogation, does not forbid the use of torture but rather allows that interrogation methods deemed as torture may be used in the "necessity of defense" and in situations where a detainee is deemed a 'ticking bomb'. At most, it offers the victim of torture a small opportunity to submit a complaint if an abuse can be clearly proved. As Israel can legally hold detainees incommunicado for several weeks, GSS interrogators are able to use methods of torture without impunity. Legalized torture includes, for example, sleep deprivation and shackling for extended periods of time, amongst others.
A Palestinian detainee can be interrogated for a total period of 180 days, during which he/she can also be denied lawyer visits for a period of 60 days. After the 180 day period, charges must be brought against the detainee, or he/she must be released. During the interrogation period, a detainee is often subjected to some form of torture ranging in extremity, whether physical or psychological. In some instances, detainees have died while in custody as a result of torture. Confessions extracted through torture are admissible in court.

In practice, Palestinian detainees are submitted to the following forms of torture:

Routine: sleep deprivation, shabeh (position abuse), in which detainees are shackled to a chair in painful positions, squeezing of handcuffs, beatings, slaps, kicks, physical and psychological threats and humiliation;

Special methods: the body tied in a contorted and extremely painful position, pressure on different parts of the body, strongly shaking the detainee after being shackled for a long period of time, head covered with a filthy, soiled sack, strangulation and other means of suffocation, pulling of hair, multiple humiliations;

Inside the cells: sleep deprivation, handcuffed to the bed, exposure to extreme temperatures, prolonged and continuous exposure to artificial light, solitary confinement, tear gas inside the cells, inhuman detention conditions.

GSS agents can act with full impunity. If a complaint is lodged, investigations are confidential and led by a GSS agent under the authority of the State Attorney. No agent has been charged since the responsibility for investigations was transferred to the Ministry of Justice in 1994.

Other bodies like the IDF, Border Police, Police and others also use torture and inflict ill treatment upon detainees during arrest, interrogation or detention.

Legal system governing detention

Under Israeli military regulations a Palestinian can be detained for up to 12 days without the Israeli military informing the detainee of the reason for his/her arrest and without being brought before a judge. Between April and June 2002, Military Order 1500, issued on 5 April 2002, increased this period of time to 18 days. The army is also not obliged to inform the detainee's family of their arrest or the location of their detention.

After or within this period, the person is sent to an interrogation center, placed in administrative detention, or held in custody awaiting a charge sheet and trial.

According to Israeli legislation, interrogation can last for up to 180 days. After the period of interrogation, military judges can extend the detention for the time needed for the public prosecutor to provide charges against the detainee. What can follow is either the judgment of the detainee, or more frequently, his/her transfer to administrative detention.

In the case of administrative detention, lawyers and detainees face charges based on secret evidence. These secret files are prepared by the GSS. This element violates International Law and Human Rights Charters but is congruent with the legislation in force in the State of Israel. In these conditions, it is impossible to exercise the right of defense. Theoretically, administrative detention can be extended indefinitely. Detainees do not know when they will be released and or why they are being detained. In many cases, arrest and detention are renewed at the prison's gate. Palestinian detainees have spent up to 8 years in prison without being tried under administrative detention orders. The current longest serving Palestinian detainee in administrative detention has been held for three years without charge or trial.

Deportation, abroad or to another region of the Occupied Palestinian Territories, following detention can be ordered as a result of either a military or High Court ruling or as a political compromise, as was the case with the 13 Palestinians who were deported to various European countries and 26 Palestinians deported to Gaza in a political negotiation to end the siege on the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

Judicial Structures
Military orders are the main components of Israeli legislation in force in the Occupied Palestinian Territories that govern Palestinian detainees and prisoners, and are issued by the Israeli military commander of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Within the courts, military orders always take precedence over Israeli and International law. Israeli military courts refuse to apply international laws and conventions, and no legal claim whatsoever is possible in order to protect individuals under military occupation.

All Palestinians from the Occupied Palestinian Territories are submitted to Israeli military courts, even in the case of civil incidents, such as a car accident involving an Israeli. Military courts of appeal are the last instance. The case of Marwan Barghouti is unique in that it is taking place within a civil court.

Military courts apply legislation in force in an arbitrary manner, with no consistent application of regulations. The military legislation in itself is discriminatory. Confessions made under torture, for example, are enough to sentence a child to several years of imprisonment.

Discriminatory Laws
A Palestinian can be held in custody for 8 + 18 days before being brought before a judge. An Israeli citizen, however, can be held in custody for only a maximum of 48 hours before being brought before a judge. A Palestinian can be held without charge, by order of a jurist-judge, for an initial period of 30 days, which can be extended for 6 months by the legal advisor for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, via a military court of appeals (this does not include the possibility of administrative detention, in which case no charges are brought against the detainee who will never be tried). An Israeli citizen can be held without indictment for an initial period of 15 days, which can be extended for only another 15 days.
Lawyer visits can be prohibited for up to 90 days after the day of arrest for a Palestinian detainee . The meeting between an Israeli detainee and his attorney can be delayed for a total of 15 days.

The maximum allowable civilian sentences are considerably less severe than those allowable in the military tribunals, a major reason for the significant differential in sentences passed upon Israelis and Palestinians. For example, a Palestinian convicted of manslaughter by a military tribunal is subject to a maximum sentence of life imprisonment, while an Israeli convicted of manslaughter in a civilian court faces a maximum of 20 years.

The difference in sentencing structures is reinforced by regulations in the two penal systems regarding the early release of prisoners. Under the Israeli penal code, prisoners may be released after serving two-thirds of their sentence. The military orders under which Palestinians are judged do not allow for early release for any reason.

Separated and unequal before the law, the different penal codes under which Palestinians and Israelis are governed takes place in different courts; application of the law is systematically discriminatory.

Comparative Case Studies
Sanaa, 14 years old, from Hebron was arrested after her older sister had attempted to stab a settler in the street. She was found guilty of planning to stab a settler, however the court agreed that Sanaa did not carry out her plan and, in fact, at the time of her arrest was standing alone and unaware of what was happening around her. Five months after her arrest, a three-judge court, after 3 hours of deliberation, sentenced her to 1 year in prison with an additional 4 years suspended sentence if she should commit any offence during the next 5 years. The court did not take into account her age or the fact that she did not carry out any violent act. During the whole day at the courtroom, she was not given food and her legs remained shackled. Her hands were handcuffed whenever the judges left the room. Her father was not allowed to speak to his daughter. (DCI-PS)
Nahum, 37 years old, from the illegal settlement of Bitar Ilit, was sentenced to 6 months of community service for the brutal slaying of an 11-year-old Palestinian boy. According to the eyewitnesses, Nahum brutally assassinated the boy by kicking him in the head and beating him with the butt of his rifle. Originally acquitted by the District Court of Jerusalem, the Israeli Supreme Court found him responsible for the vicious murder after an appeal by the prosecutors. However, Nahum received a sentence of only community service and a fine of $17,000 US.

Between December 1987 (the beginning of the first Intifada) and March 2001, Israeli settlers killed 119 Palestinians, including 23 children under the age of 17, in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. From the serious deficiencies evidenced in investigations, or merely the lack of investigation itself, to the low sentences passed by courts, the complicity of the Israeli legal system in the cases of murder of Palestinians becomes evident. Of 89 cases monitored by B'Tselem over this period, only 22 were convicted: 6 of murder, 7 of manslaughter, 7 of negligent homicide, and 2 charged with firing in a residential area and possession of a weapon without permit. Only 3 convictions resulted in life sentences, from which 2 were reduced to 13 and 11 years respectively of imprisonment. Although the expected sentence for manslaughter is 20 years, the 7 settlers convicted received sentences ranging from 6 months to 7 and half years of imprisonment. While the normal sentence for negligent homicide is 3 years, of the 7 cases mentioned above, 5 received community service sentences and 2 received 5 and 18 months prison sentences. 39 files were closed without legal actions.

Between December 1987 and March 2001, 115 Israelis have been killed by Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. In each case, an investigation has been opened. Only 10 cases have been closed. 33 Palestinians were convicted of murder and all received life sentences, without the possibility of clemency or reduction of their sentence. One Palestinian was convicted for complicity of murder. No Palestinian was convicted for manslaughter or negligent homicide, rather than murder. No Palestinian was acquitted because he had acted in self-defense. Israeli security forces killed 15 suspects before they were brought to trial. In 22 cases, in addition to the prison sentence, suspect's family house has been demolished or sealed.

Description of offenses
In addition to administrative detention allowing in practice the detention of every Palestinian, to the free interpretation of " security reasons " and the application of the law ruled by arbitrariness, acts defined as crimes in Israeli legislation also provide wide possibilities for sentencing and imprisonment. For example, participating in an exhibition to benefit a charity organization linked to Hamas is a crime of " terrorist association ". Carrying or placing a Palestinian flag is a crime in itself. Removing the rubbish put in the middle of a road by Israeli soldiers after they have left is another crime. Fire in the air during a wedding, as is the tradition, constitutes a danger for Israel's national security, although it happens in the autonomous territories (area A). A student of a Hamas Koranic school can be sentenced to 14 months of prison for his participation at the lesson. Participation in a demonstration is a case of disrupting public order. Pouring coffee for a member of a declared illegal association is support to a terrorist organization. Palestinian national security forces are an illegal association.

Main difficulties faced by lawyers and human rights associations:

Human rights activists, in the current situation, faces the risk of arrest by Israeli occupation forces;

The obstacles to freedom of movement within the West Bank, Gaza Strip and outside it, curfews and other forms of collective punishment inflicted upon the Palestinian society by the Israeli military occupation considerably hinders everyone's work, among others, to collect information concerning human rights violations and verify them.

Organizations are not allowed to enter the prisons, nor are they allowed to visit prisoners;

The number of lawyers is limited to defend an increasing number of detainees;

Palestinian lawyers can only defend their clients before military courts located in the Occupied Palestinian Territories; for the High Court they must be members of the Israeli Bar association;

The difficulties faced by lawyers in the exercise of their work are mainly related to the arbitrary nature of occupation and impunity.

Very often, lawyers are not informed of the date of a hearing.

Their access to the prisons is limited and they are searched there.

The use of confessions made under torture (under legal as well as other forms of torture) and of submission of secret files allows only a purely superficial defense.

The refusal to implement and abide by international laws diminishes all possibilities of ensuring the respect of basic rights.

The Palestinians of Iraq

Contributed by Lucia

A reply to Palestinian Pundit (Blaming Shiite thugs in Iraq)

Thanks Lucia: You hit the nail

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It is only the Baathist/Saddamites and their supporters, like Uruknet, that blame the "sectarian Shiite thugs" for the terrorism perpetrated against the Palestinian refugees in Iraq. Add it the zio- or zio-influenced press; being the Saddamites far more rabid than the zios in their hatred for their shia kin, since the Zionists identify the attackers as "Iraqi security forces", "We used to say the attacks occurred by militias or gangs; but now the state is attacking," Haaretz; "Dozens of Palestinians have been killed in Iraq by Iraqis belonging to various political and religious factions", Shi'ite militias and Iraqi intelligence officers, militiamen" Jlem Post

I have already said that Sistani had issued a Fatwa forbidding any attacks on Palestinians, what makes the baathist claim above very improbable. So, the culprits have to be found elsewhere, even though isolated pockets of shia/Mehdi might hypothetically have disobeyed their guru and be implicated, given the chaos existing in Iraq. Buy let’s have in mind that there is no reliable information signalling the Shias/Mahdi for the murder, torture of Palestinians in Iraq, much the less for the drillings.

These are terms that only the Baathist/ Saddamists use, extending their finger towards Iran (“the Safavids” the “turbaned backward Mullahs” as they call them) as the ultimate and main responsible.You won’t find a serious investigative journalist like Pilger, who wrote often on the war on Iraq, blaming the Shias-Mahdi. Neither Dahr Jamail, an honest reporter with first hand knowledge of what’s going on there.


Dahr Jamail has alluded the sectarianism between shia and sunni, which he linked cent per cent to the Americans’ “special intelligence units” and “death squads”, but I have never read him relating the shia with the murder of Palestinians. So, there is not enough evidence to prove the Baathist’s claims, which are obviously driven by resentment and hatred.

A google search will only come up with the two articles already mentioned in an earlier thread (14.09), that is, the Washington Post article, and the Daily Telegraph one. WaPo is not, in my book, a reliable source of info on Iraq or the Mideast. It is too Zionist-biased, and has been pro-war since the very beginning.

But, despite its starting with describing the “grisly attacks and other sectarian violence” as “unleashed by the bombing of a Shia shrine”, the Saddamites don’t hesitate bringing it up, just because it mentions some families “blaming the Mahdi for the abduction”.

So, by and doing an exercise in selective readingdecide to ignore what follows “Aides to Sadr denied the allegations, calling them part of a smear campaign by unspecified political rivals” and “In the Shiite holy city of Najaf, aides to Sadr denied any role in the killings” and “Sahib al-Amiri, another close aide, said: “Some political party accused [Sadr’s political party] and the Mahdy Amy because they considered us as competitive to them. So they recruited criminals to kill Shiites and sunnis”

Thus the Saddamites cherry pick whose paragraphs to believe, duh, obviously the ones that fit their pre-established script. This even despite of the WaPo quoting some paragraphs below that “The bulk of the previously known deaths were caused by bombings and other large scale attacks As to the Daily Telegraph, it belongs to the same owners of the Jerusalem Post.

The Daily Telegraph is called by the British satirical magazine Private Eye as The Telavivagraph for its unwavering support for Israel, particularly the Likud party, and its connection with those with a vested interest in Israel's prosperity, particularly Conrad Black and Barbara Amiel.

Black was its former owner. Current ones are the controversial Barclays twins; but the Telegraph was bought in 1855 (only few months after it was founded) by Joseph Moses Levy and his wife Esther née Cohen -not likely ancestral British names, uh?- Their son Edward Levy inherited it, and was later appointed as 1st Baron Burnham in 1903. More things can be said about the Daily Telegraph. But suffice with the above, to shed more light to the issue in question. I’d also suggest those interested, to read a todays article by the Palestinian journalist Iqbal Tamimi at Palestine Think Tank website, explaining her personal experience with it.I’ll paste below fragments of an older important article of hers regarding the Palestinians of Iraq, where she puts names to their attackers. The Mahdi appears only twice, as storming and wounding Palestinians. But, being this bad enough, the worst “operations” were not done by them.


The Palestinians of Iraq

The Palestinians residing in Iraq came from villages around Haifa, which used to be called the villages of Alhamamah Albeda (The White Dove). Those were the villages of (Ijzim, Jabaa and Ayn Ghazal). These villages have witnessed many battles between the Palestinian citizens and the Zionist gangs. Many families lost their men while defending their land. Some of the most famous names are: Ali Massoud Almadi, Tawfiq Msheenesh, and Khader Abu Abdul Aziz Shukair.


After the occupation of Haifa, the Palestinians who remained alive immigrated to the city of Jenin aided by the Iraqi army, which used to be part of the so-called Salvation Army, which also included Syrian and Arab forces.

Then the Iraqi army helped evacuate them by means of military buses to Iraq, their number was approximately 3500. This decision was made after the guardian of Iraq and his sister Queen Alia visited Jenin and witnessed the situation. He ordered the army troops to bring the Palestinians as guests of Iraq. Some remained in Jenin, others emigrated to Syria and Jordan.

The number of Palestinian refugees in Iraq before the USA occupation of Iraq in 2003 was 30,000 refugees according to UNHCR statistics.

After the exodus from Palestine to Iraq, the Palestinian refugees were initially housed in shelters and cellars, and then they started sharing with other families a number of houses. This was common among the refugees because they were not allowed to own any property, besides the fact that there were no international institutions or organizations to care for them in Iraq such as the United Nations.

The Palestinians were later granted refugee status in Iraq, and started to work in odd jobs to support their families. The students were offered places in Iraqi schools and collages and were treated exactly like Iraqi students.

After the Anglo-American occupation forces took over control of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, this led to widespread chaos in Iraq, and loss of the security the occupiers promised the Iraqis. This chaos and confusion was used by some parties to target the Palestinians in Baghdad, especially in the Albaladiyat district which is among the largest Palestinian communities in Iraq. The Palestinians were described with words like “Saddamists”. The Palestinians would not dare to show any ID card proving their nationality, nor use their Palestinian dialects.

They received lots of death threat letters, and were told to leave Iraq or else they will end up dead and their fate will be like their “friend”. Many Palestinians were kidnapped and killed. Many incidents were reported of Palestinians who were assassinated and their bodies dumped at garbage sites bearing torture wounds and mutilatation. The latest statistics report that almost 600 Palestinians were killed in Iraq.


Among those killed

Liza Ali Husain 26, and her two children Rahman Ahmad 6, and Ali Ahmad 3. Their bodies were found 50 days after their abduction.

The National Guards abducted the Palestinian Mohammad Abbas Nimer from the Islamic University at AlAthamieyah on the 4th of June 2004, and no one knows anything about his whereabouts up till this moment.

Ziyad Faleh Mahmoud Abu Jeedeh was arrested by the state forces at Almashtal area on the 4th of January 2006, and then he was killed.

Adel Ateyah was working in his barber shop in Albaladyat neighbourhood when he was abducted by a gang wearing black, he was beaten up, sworn at, then they took him away on the 15th of January 2006. Since then no one knows his whereabouts.

Khalid Mohammad Qtaish was assassinated by Al Rafidain Brigade on the 22nd of Januar 2006.


Arrests:

The Palestinians would be arrested and transferred to an unknown place. Then and there torture begins, accompanied by fabricated accusations for the detainee.

The abductors used all kinds of torture starting by stripping the Palestinian of his clothes, and beatings on the genitals, electric shocks, and extracting his nails. Then the bargaining starts with his family, to release him for a ransom. If they could not find anything to charge him with, he will be charged with “being a Palestinian,” some of those tortured are:

Sameer Jameal was arrested from his shop at Albab Alsharqi on the 14th of January 2006.

Mohammad Ahmad Alhorani was working as a taxi driver, he was arrested on the 16th of January 2005 at a checkpoint after handing them his Palestinian ID.

Mohammad Darweesh, and Mohammad Abdelfattah were both arrested by the security forces in the new Baghdad district on the 24th of January 2006.

Cars belonging to the Rafidain Brigade stormed the municipal district in Baghdad on the 25th of January 2006, and arrested the teachers Kamal Saleem, Jamal Saeed and Yasser Hassan.

Interior commandos stormed the compound of Za’faraniya and arrested Hilal Saud on the 27th of January 2006.

Raids:

Raids have been done against the homes of Palestinians in the late hours by the Iraqi National Guardsmen and U.S. forces. Such operations were carried out amid harassment of Palestinians and destruction of their homes and personal belongings in search of claimed evidence. Some of such examples are:

On the 6th of December 2004 the U.S. occupation forces surrounded the Albaladiyat neighborhood with more than seventy armored vehicles, then raided the Haifa Club and detained dozens of Palestinians for hours.

U.S. and Iraqi forces raided the home of the Palestinian Adel Omar Al-Isawi in AlIlam neighborhood after midnight; the soldiers searched the house and arrested the owner without any reason.

AlMahdi Army gangs stormed Alquds mosque in AlBaladiyat area and wrecked it, leaving havoc and chaos on the 22nd of February 2006.

AlMahdi Army gang stormed the residential compound in Baghdad amid intensive gunfire, leaving five Palestinian men and one woman wounded on that same day.

Members of Altheeb Brigade attacked Albaladiyat compound the next day and harassed a number of Palestinian youths.


The bombing of houses

Palestinian homes were exposed to shelling and mortar detonations, by placing the explosives at the doorsteps of the Palestinians’ houses. Such operations were carried out by armed militias and American and Iraqi forces. Some of those incidents as an example:

A mortar shell landed on the compound of Albaladiyat area, killing five Palestinians and wounding others on the 31st of January 2004.

A mortar shell landed on one of the Palestinian homes knocking down the house and injuring two Palestinians on the 2nd of February 2006.

A mortar shell landed near a house but did not explode on the 22nd of Febrary 2006.


Media incitement against the Palestinians in Iraq

Incitement of hatred has been done by distorting the facts and targeting the Palestinians to convict them of criminal acts in Baghdad. This has been clear in many of the Iraqi media outlets, which does not enjoy credibility and professionalism.

As an example, several explosions occurred in the New Baghdad area on the 12 of May 2005, four Palestinians were accused and arrested for investigation, but proved to have been innocent, however, Iraqi TV channels like AlFayhaa, the Euphrates and the Iraqiya TV channels broadcasted the accusations, but when the accused Palestinians were proven innocent none of them mentioned that. Incitement against the Palestinians was continued.


Back to the camps

At the beginning the Palestinians were forced to live within camps in Baghdad, but after the attacks against them continued, accompanied by threatening letters to leave Iraq or else, they had no choice but to flee, knowing that 600 Palestinians had been killed in Iraq.

The number of Palestinian refugees in Iraq dropped to 15 thousand refugees after the mass exodus of Palestinians towards the borders of Arab countries, where many camps were established, some of those camps are:


Alwaleed Camp

This camp is located in the Anbar region in the Iraqi territory, and it is one of the worst camps social and health wise. When Alwaleed Camp was established early in 2007 it accommodated 32 refugees, the number of refugees in the camp now exceeds 939 people. The refugees live within a number of tents, assisted by human aid organizations, and the United Nations operating inside Iraq.

Some of the incidents recorded within this Camp:

Three death cases, those were (Osama Jamal Zuhdi Al-Murtada, born 1977, he died after suffering asthma), Ali Sydam (born 1949, he suffered heart problems) and a baby girl called Ratad Omer (6 months old, she died of anaemia).

The residents of the camp started a hunger strike on the 11th of April 2007, until their demands were met. They requested an improvement in their conditions.

On the 23rd of that same month the camp faced sand storms which led to difficulty in breathing and uprooting of their tents.

On the 29th the refugee Abdul Aziz Mohamed (19 years) was injured due to a fire that started inside his tent.

On the 3rd of May 2007 a decision was made to close Alwaleed Camp and to stop receiving more Palestinian refugees.

The Tanf Camp

The Tanf Camp is located between the Syrian and Iraqi borders. The distance between its location and the Iraqi gate is 3 km. while it is 300 metres away from the Syrian gate. It was established in May 2006. It has become the home of 350 Palestinian refugees who are suffering from the poor environmental, health, and social conditions present there.

Many incidents were documented in this camp provided for by the Aid of the Palestinian factions residing on Syrian territory and organizations like the United Nations.

Some of the events that happened in this camp and worth mentioning:

12-year-old Ahmad Akram Mousa died after a big truck ran him over on its way to Iraq on the 28th of August 2006.

The camp was raided by the Iraqi border guards on the 18th of June 2006, arresting many Palestinian refugees.

The refugee Mohammad Lutfi Alshaikh Khaleel died on the 30th of March 2007 of kidney failure.

On the 9th of April 2007 the refugees in the camp voted to create a committee to manage the camp.

A strong fast sand storm hit the camp on 19th of April 2007 injuring many and uprooting the tents.

An enormous fire broke out in the camp on the 24th of April 2007, injuring 7 families and burning 21 tents to the ground.

On the 6th of May 2007, the refugees at the camp expressed solidarity with the detained Palestinian prisoners in the prisons of the Zionist state of Israel.

On the 9th of May 2007, 6 cases of dehydration and malnutrition among the children in the camp were reported.


Al Ruweished Camp

This camp is situated on the Iraqi Jordanian borders. 550 Palestinian refugees moved there from Iraq on the 1st of May 2003. Since that date they are experiencing the living hell with no hope of finding another alternative, battling against the harsh desert life and the sand storms which keep attacking their tents.

Humanitarian workers in the field had to wear goggles to be able to work in such difficult circumstances. The people in the camp suffer outbreaks of respiratory problems caused by the storms of fine dust, in addition to the hot climate in the summer and severe cold in the winter. After three years since their arrival to the desert camp, they are still living in simple tents and huts made of wooden frames and blankets stitched together.

During the past three years, the Palestinian refugees at Ruweished camp are still prisoners in practical terms; the camp fence is guarded by Jordanian police. The refugees have to request permission to leave the camp to go shopping for essentials in the nearby town of Ruweished, but they can not leave the camp for any other reason.
When a refugee needs hospital treatment, the police constantly guard him in hospital near his bed.

Should any relatives, friends, journalists, relief officials or human rights workers want to visit any person in Ruweished camp, they require obtaining an approved permission from the Minister of Interior of Jordan.

There is a mother in Jordan who has three sons (Palestinian Iraqis) in Ruweished Camp, but the Jordanian authorities would not allow them to join their mother in Jordan, And she has to obtain such approval to be able to visit them in the camp.


Alhoul Camp

This camp lies inside the Syrian territory, in the Hasakah city, 700 km northeast of the Syrian capital of Damascus. The refugees were allowed to live in Syria on the 9th of May 2006 after the Jordanian authorities denied them the permission to stay inside its borders when they were on the Iraqi-Jordanian border in the Tarbeel Camp.

The Syrian authorities allowed them to build blocks covered with metal sheets. All 307 of them are unemployed. They get aid from Palestinian factions in Syria, International humanitarian organizations and the UN.

Many outbreaks of diseases have affected their children like jaundice, which demands care at hospitals.

source


By Iqbal Tamimi • Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:12 • Category: Analysis, Nakba and Right of Return, Newswire, Palestine, Uprooted Palestinians' Testimonies, War, Zionism

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Lucia
Obsessions are not healthy.
Zarathustra 09.21.08 - 4:18 pm #
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who's obsessed?

Lucia 09.21.08 - 4:28 pm #

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of course Lucia the genocide revisionist keeps DENYING what the Palestinians in Iraq have said themselves-- namely that that SHIITE death squads tied to the fucking Mahdi army, the Badr and the Dawa, (who form the current Iraqi govt and who came to power thanks to US and Iran), financed and trained by IRAN, including some fucked QUDS iranian brigades --were liquidating them.

The Palestinian population in Iraq dropped from 35'000 or so to about 10'000 since the fucking occupation.

But the fucked up histerical lucia would have none of that, coz she knows better, parroting her fucking lice, flea riddled mullahs from Qum.

Damn it !
Layla Anwar 09.22.08 - 12:21 am #

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***** more to my comments above *****


Salafist websites this week launched a barrage of stinging attacks on Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Predominantly these attacks came from sites linked with Saudi Arabia.

Comment: At the same time that these web sites are attacking these movements, large financial resources are being channeled to the Salafists from Saudi Arabia.

Commentators on the internet suggest that the motivation for this campaign, possibly encouraged by western agencies, is the attempt
Lucia 09.22.08 - 12:47 am #

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The haloscan is messing links up. My previous post got truncated by the link. Again:


Salafist websites this week launched a barrage of stinging attacks on Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Predominantly these attacks came from sites linked with Saudi Arabia.

Comment: At the same time that these web sites are attacking these movements, large financial resources are being channeled to the Salafists from Saudi Arabia.

Commentators on the internet suggest that the motivation for this campaign, possibly encouraged by western agencies, is the attempt to divert Sunni Arab anger away from Israel – and to re-direct it to an alternative “enemy”, Iran and its “allies”.

“Moderate” Arab leaders are concerned that the growing hostility to Israel undermines their domestic situation by exposing their support for President Abbas as tantamount to collaboration with Israel in oppressing Palestinians living in Gaza. As popular Arab hostility towards Israeli actions directed towards Gaza grows, so street anger towards these regimes rises – and the popularity of Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah increases: This makes “moderate” leaders feel vulnerable. (continues...)
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Lucia 09.22.08 - 12:56 am #
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Of course lalalayla, the baathist-saddamist cheap demagogue continues on "her" pulpit willing to sell motor-bikes, as long as she's allowed to.

It happens I don't buy them!, as won't do any person having ONE functioning neurone.

Now the following last paragraph is only for lalalayla, so the rest please skip it.

I want to tell you, using your scatological language, that appears to be the only one you understand:

** LAYLA GO TO SHIT! **


Is it clearer now for you?
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Lucia 09.22.08 - 1:09 am #

Lucia, Not only are you an ignorant person which is obvious, but you are also arrogant and paternalistic. Look at yourself: You speak no Arabic, No Persian, never been to Iraq, do not know anything about its people yet you allow yourself to "debate" them about issues concerning their own lives and country while you sit comfortably in your home in Europe somewhere. What is most amusing about you is your self-assured tone. I love it. Maybe its chic for a Westerner to support the ostensibly anti-Imperialist, anti-Zionist (and maybe in western eyes even exotic) Persian Mullahs, but for Layla Anwar and other Iraqis these are real issues dealing with life and death. So you will have to excuse us that we don't consider this to be some sort of debating contest and quite simply tell you to FUCK OFF!

Secular Arab 09.22.08 - 2:01 am #


What a chutzpah!

None other than secular arab who FLED Irak and HIDES in Texas, of all places!, under the skirts of his country's enemy. And this dude is telling me who I am to speak of Irak!?

Listen dude!.

I'm a foreigner who is showing far more interest than you and your lalalaina do. If your interest for your country were like this - you'd be there fighting the occupiers, even with the teeth if need be, instead of being cowardly hiding abroad, and preaching over the internet.

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Lucia 09.22.08 - 2:32 am #


"Conviction is a greater enemy of Truth than lies" .Lucia fell victim to her own convictions and used the same rationalizations that she always fought against. Benny Morris uses the same logic to whitewash Zionist crimes in Palestine , and now she is obsessed about trying to exonerate the shia death squads from their crimes against the Palestinians. I guess in Lucia's world it makes sense for the Zionist to commit atrocities against the Palestinians but why would the Mahdi army do so ? In essence everyone critical of Mahdi or Badr or Iran for that matter for their role in Iraq quickly gets labeled "Sadamist" , "Zionist" or "Sectarian Sunni". Same way anyone who is critical of Israel gets labeled as "Anti Semite".Pity.


Zarathustra 09.22.08 - 2:42 pm #


Zarathustra, you're showing your lil leg under the door way too much. Beware! Some other one, even a friend of yours, may notice you are the wolf rather than little red riding hood-Lucia 09.22.08 - 3:21 pm #

how funny.

Scroll down to find this:ليلى و الذئب,

hahahahaha-

Lucia 09.22.08 - 3:45 pm #



In Defense of Lucia

I deplore the personal attacks on Lucia. She has been a strong supporter and a dedicated reader and contributor.

She is by far better informed than most when it comes to the Middle East, and in particular when it comes to the Palestinians.

I am greatly indebted to Lucia for her numerous contributions and postings on this blog.

Differences of opinion and objective debate are healthy. As I expressed to Lucia before, I differ with her on the issue of the Shiite sectarian militias in Iraq and their brutal killing and torture of Palestinians there.

I would appreciate if the debate is kept at a decent level and away from the personal attacks. Lucia is entitled to her opinion on this issue.
Tony Sayegh Homepage 09.23.08 - 9:33 am #


Layla Anwar,

After Tony's "major rethink" (A few days ago he realized what the Iraqis and Baathists have been saying for 20 years about Iran)he had a fall out with Lucia.

Attacking Iraqis (although qualified as an attack on Baathists/Arab Nationalist/Chauvinists/Persian Bashing/Saddamist dead-enders)is a cheap and convenient attempt to try o mend fences. He has no interest in Iraq and couldnt care less about our Nakba.

This was such an artifical and blatantly transparent gimmick that its laughable.

If Tony wants to be taken seriously he should address Lucia'a open support of Iranian occupation of Iraq and her anti-Arab racism, and not try to gloss over these major differences by attacking pro-Saddam Iraqis.

What is this? Amateur season?
Secular Arab 09.23.08 - 9:10 pm #

Secular Arab, so you want to hook me, duh? What a cretin!

You're a very stupid guy. Really, and I mean REALLY very stupid. You'd better shut up, rather than posting those porno-tirades speaking of yourself like neon lights.

For, hadn't we already known long ago that you're a coward hiding in the enemy's barracks, it would be crystal clear by now after all the crap you posted.

Don't say again you're an iraqui because you put iraquis TO SHAME with such a detestable image.

Don't even say you're an arab because you're an EMBARRASSMENT for the arabs; you're the antithesis of an arab true man. You're the most dishonest and the most vulgar poster I've ever seen in the net in years.

Since you've been lurking or posting here under various nicks, you've insulted everyone, starting with Tony in the first place and following with anyone whose views you did not share. You're the typical zio-troll, dedicated to harassing in blogs. You're nothing but a petty mustarabim working for zion. Shame on you!

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Lucia 09.23.08 - 10:56 pm #


Lucia sweeety,

I see you have stuck on another testosterone patch today. You really should take it easy with those things. And I thought we already decided that the only people hiding behing the "Great Satan's" army are your Iranian-Sponsored friends in the green zone. They're afraid to come out because of my friends, not yours. We all remember the sectarian lynching of the President which was carried out by those hyenas you support under the protection of 5000 US soldiers. They were afraid of Saddam Hussein even with his hands tied, rope around his neck, and thousands of American soldiers standing guard protecting them. Those are YOUR friends.

As for who is an Iraqi or a "true Arab man"..well...that's not for you to decide. We will leave that for people who know the land, country, language, and people. You dont, and how arrogant of you to think you do. What sort of anti-Arab stereotype are you trying to exploit by references to manhood? Did you happen to read somewhere that such statements make Arab men upset? Was this some sort of attempt at provovation? Your ignorance, and the stereotypes you rely on in making such silly comments is revealing, not to mention amusing.

This is the only name I use as I told you before, and I stand by all I said. If you want to challenge me on anything you are welcome, but name calling does not help, but at this point your credibility is so shattered it doesn not even hurt either. Again, take it easy on the testosterone patches. I hear excessive use is harmful.
Secular Arab 09.23.08 - 11:47 pm #

Layala & the wolf


Secular Arabo,

Enta rajaloon wal rijalu qaleelu.
Lucia, hadhee sheenoo Luchia, lootia ? ghabbiya w7aya.

Agoolech Lucia, wlich entee shlon khilqa ta3bana ! lol
Layla Anwar 09.24.08 - 12:21 am #
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Layla Anwar,

w inti iraqiya min al iraqiyaat al majidaat. aseela im'asala wal asel 3urbiya.

esh nareed ingool 3an bint al-iraq?
esh nuktub? esh nitba3?
in3idha' ib-khawla wal khansa!?
bint i3raqna azyad ba3id titla3!.

you calling me a man really made me take a deep breath, hold my chest out, pull my shoulders back, make a fist and pound on my chest while I make animal noises. Thanks for rescuing me. This white "woman" almost damaged my ego.

Seriously, can you believe the stereotypes this thing basis its comments on? I think her and Tony need to make-up and attacking Iraqis is the easiest way.
Secular Arab 09.24.08 - 1:55 am #

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Layla Anwar and Secular Arab, why don't you get married

and produce a little Saddam ?


brainwave 09.24.08 - 5:39 am #

Sunday, 21 September 2008

This Is Zionism: Talmoud at Work


Palestinian woman beaten to death by Israel terrorist
Contributed by Lucia

A Palestinian woman in her 60s was beaten to death during a raid by the Israeli terrorist army near Occupied Jerusalem.

The director of the clinic where Mariam Ayyad was taken says she arrived dead, with a broken skull and possible internal bleeding. Relatives say the woman tried to block Israeli terrorist as they stormed her home to arrest students lodging in a property she owned in the village of Abu Dis. They said that Israeli terrorist beaten and pushed her out of the way, causing her to fall down stairs.

“She went outside in order to prevent them arresting someone from her house,” one of the students said. “They knocked her down and there was blood on her head.”

The Israeli terrorist army said the woman fell on a stairway but attributed the fall to an apparent heart attack. It denied that any Israeli terrorist shoved Ayyad or caused her to fall. Meanwhile doctors said Ayyad succumbed to her injuries from the shove. “The cause of death was being pushed to the ground and being struck in the head.”


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Twilight Zone / Dead on arrival
By Gideon Levy

Hawara Checkpoint




"A Palestinian woman died of injuries on Sunday after she was shoved to the ground by Israel Defense Forces soldiers conducting an arrest raid in a West Bank village, witnesses and a medical official said.
Palestinian sources said Mariam Ayyad, in her sixties, had tried to block the path of IDF soldiers who came to Abu Dis, near Jerusalem, overnight to detain students lodging in a property she owned. They said IDF soldiers shoved the woman who then hit the pavement.

The director of the clinic where Ayyad was taken says she arrived dead, with a broken skull and possible internal bleeding....."

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This Is Zionism:

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Video: Israel shoots dead nine-year-old boy
Jul. 30th, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Shooting Back: Israeli occupation filmed by 100 Palestinian cameras
Mourners to protest murder of 10 year old boy

Added: July 29, 2008

In the occupied West Bank, Israeli soldiers have shot dead a nine-year-old Palestinian boy, near the village of Ni'lin, according to witnesses.

It happened at the end of a demonstration against the separation barrier Israel is building.

The Israeli military say they will conduct a full investigation.

Jacky Rowland reports.

Tags:activism,children,deaths,israel,palestinians,video

When refusing to kill has a higher sentence than murder

Saturday 20 September 2008

by: Ann Wright, t r u t h o u t Perspective

From the beginning of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the United States military has come under intense criticism and scrutiny for the deaths of civilians. This week, the secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff made trips to Afghanistan and Pakistan to "acknowledge" the deaths of innocent civilians in attacks in those countries.

In the five and one-half years of the US occupation of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed by US military personnel at checkpoints, during convoy movements and during operations to find the "enemy." In the half-decade of US military presence in Iraq, a very small number of US military personnel and an even smaller number of CIA and contractors have been charged with manslaughter or murder in these deaths. The deaths of most civilians are counted in the "costs of war." A few dozen military have been court-martialed on allegations of mistreatment, manslaughter and murder of Iraqi civilians. With a very few exceptions, most who were court-martialed have been acquitted. Those who were convicted have generally served light sentences.

This week we see again that punishment is less for murdering four Iraqis than for refusing to participate in a war that many citizens, and many in the military, see as a crime against the peace - a war crime.

On September 18, 2008, the US Army sentenced Specialist Belmor Ramos to seven months in prison, demotion to private and a dishonorable discharge for standing guard from a turret in a Humvee while three others in his unit, the First Infantry Division, bound, blindfolded, shot in the heads and dumped the bodies of four unidentified Iraqi men into a Baghdad canal in 2007 in retaliation for deaths in Ramos's unit. According to Associated Press reports, during the court-martial, Ramos admitted his guilt: "I wanted them dead. I had no legal justification or excuse to do this."

Ramos had been charged with conspiracy to commit murder, for which he could have received a life sentence. The military judge in Ramos's court-martial in Vilsek, Germany, would have sentenced him to 40 years in prison had the military prosecutor not agreed to a plea bargain for seven months to testify in the upcoming court-martials of the three non-commissioned officers - Sgt. John E. Hatley, Sgt. 1st Class Joseph P. Mayo and Sgt. Michael P. Leahy Jr. - who were charged on September 16, 2008, with premeditated murder, conspiracy to commit premeditated murder and obstruction of justice.

Longer Sentences for Resisting War Than for Murdering Civilians

Just one month ago, US Army Private Robin Long was sentenced to fifteen months in prison, reduced to private and given a dishonorable discharge for having been absent without leave from the Army rather than serving in a war he believed was unlawful. He had been deported from Canada where he had been speaking on his concerns about the legality of the war for three years and was handed over by Canadian immigration officials to the US military for prosecution. One month earlier, US Army Private First Class James Burmeister voluntarily returned from Canada and was sentenced in July 2008 to six months in prison for refusing to return to Iraq after two previous tours in which he was hit by three IEDs. In May 2008, Private First Class Robert Weiss was court-martialed in Vilseck, Germany, and sentenced to 7 months in jail for refusing to go to Iraq. Also in May 2008, Private First Class Ryan Jackson was also court-martialed and sentenced to 100 days in jail for refusing to go to Iraq.

In 2007, the court-martial of US Army First Lieutenant Ehren Watada, the first commissioned officer who refused to deploy to Iraq, ended in a mistrial. He is still on active duty with the Army. Also in 2007, US Army Sergeant Mark Wilkerson refused to return to Iraq and was sentenced to seven months in jail. The Army denied the conscientious objection application of US Army medic Specialist Agustin Aguayo; he refused to return to Iraq and was sentenced to eight months in jail. Also in 2007, Specialist Melanie McPherson, a US Army Minnesota Reservist, refused to go to Iraq in a job she was not trained for; she was court-martialed and sentenced to three months in jail.

In 2006, US Army Specialist Dale Bertell refused to return to Iraq and was sentenced to four months in jail. US Army Texas National Guard Specialist Katherine Jashniski refused to deploy to Afghanistan; she was sentenced to four months in jail. US Army Sergeant Ricky Clousing of the 82nd Airborne Division refused to return to Iraq and was sentenced to three months in jail. US Marine Corporal Ivan Brobeck voluntarily returned from 18 months in Canada and was court-martialed for refusing to return to Iraq; he was sentenced to eight months in jail.

In 2005, US Army Sergeant Kevin Benderman refused to return to Iraq and was sentenced to 15 months in jail; he served 13 months. US Army Specialist Blake LeMoine refused to return to Iraq and served seven months in jail. When the conscientious objection application of US Army Private Neil Quentin Lucas was denied, he refused to go to Iraq and served 13 months in jail.

In 2004, US Army Sergeant Camilo Mejia refused to return to Iraq and was sentenced to 12 months in jail. The highest-ranking non-commissioned officer to refuse orders to Iraq, US Army Sergeant First Class Abdullah Webster, was sentenced to 14 months in jail. He was within two years of retirement when he refused to deploy to Iraq. US Navy Petty Officer Third Class Pablo Paredes refused to deploy on a ship carrying Marines to a war he considered illegal. He was sentenced to three months confinement. The US Marines denied the conscientious objection application of Corporal Joel Klimkewixz and he was sentenced to seven months in jail.

In 2003, the US Marines denied the conscientious objection application of Marine Reservist Stephen Funk and sentenced him to six months in jail. All of the war resisters who have been court-martialed for refusing to go to Iraq or Afghanistan have been given either dishonorable or bad conduct discharges.

Thousands of other military service members who privately and silently oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been given administrative discharges upon their voluntary return to the military after having been absent without leave.

Light Sentences for the Murders of Iraqis

Some of the more prominent cases where US military personnel have been court-martialed, but not necessarily convicted, for the murders of Iraqi civilians include:

On August 29, 2008, a civilian jury in Riverside, California, acquitted former US Marine Sergeant Jose Nazario Jr. on charges of voluntary manslaughter in the deaths of four unarmed Iraqi detainees during the siege of Fallujah, Iraq, in 2004.

In June, 2008, a U.S. military judge dismissed charges against Lieutenant Colonel Jeffrey Chessani, who had been accused of failing to investigate the November 2005 massacre of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha. Of the eight Marines originally charged in the Haditha massacre, only one still faces prosecution. Criminal charges have been dismissed against six of the Marines and a seventh Marine was acquitted.

In 2007, seven Camp Pendleton Marines and a Navy corpsman were charged with murder and related offenses in the April 2006 kidnapping and killing of a 57-year-old retired Iraqi policeman in the village of Hamdania northwest of Baghdad. Only one of the men, squad leader Sergeant Lawrence Hutchins III, remains in jail, convicted of murder and sentenced by a Camp Pendleton military jury to 15 years. The other six either served out the terms they agreed to in plea deals or had their sentences commuted by Lieutenant General James Mattis, the Commanding General of Camp Pendleton. Mattis ordered the men below Hutchins's rank released after a military jury in July 2007 found Corporal Trent Thomas guilty for his role in the murders but limited his sentence to time already served. In releasing the others, General Mattis determined that Thomas's sentence created an unfair disparity for his fellow Marines who had been convicted with higher sentences.

In December 2007, US Marine Reservist Lance Corporal Delano Holmes was convicted of negligent homicide for the stabbing death of Iraqi Army Private Munther Jasem Muhammed Hassin, a man he shared guard duty with at Camp Fallujah, Iraq, on December 31, 2006. Holmes killed Hassin, stabbing him 17 times, slashing him another 26 times and nearly slicing his nose from his face. A military jury sentenced Holmes to time served, the second time in five months that a Camp Pendleton Marine military court jury allowed a defendant convicted in a homicide case to be sentenced to only time served. Holmes was reduced in rank from lance corporal to private and given a bad conduct discharge.

In August 2008, Article 32 hearings were held in Vilsek, Germany, to determine whether to proceed with criminal charges against Staff Sergeant Jess Cunningham and Sergeant Charles Quigley for the death of an Iraqi. The hearing officer has not yet decided whether the two will be court-martialed.

In only one murder case in Iraq have convicted US military personnel received substantial sentences. In August 2007, a military jury convicted US Army Private First Class Jesse Speilman of rape and four counts of felony murder for the rape and murder of Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, and the murders of her parents and younger sister on March 12, 2006, in Mahmoudiya, a village about 20 miles south of Baghdad. Speilman was sentenced to 110 years in prison, but will be eligible for parole in ten years. During their court-martial, Specialist James P. Barker and Sergeant Paul Cortez testified they took turns raping Abeer while Private Steven Green shot and killed her mother, father and younger sister. They also testified that Green shot Abeer Qassin in the head after raping her. They then set her body on fire to destroy evidence. Cruz was sentenced to 100 years in prison under a plea agreement and will be eligible for parole in 10 years. Barker pleaded guilty at his court-martial and was sentenced to 90 years in a military prison, with the possibility of parole. Private Bryan Howard was sentenced to 27 months in prison under a plea agreement. Private Steven D. Green was discharged from the Army for anti-social behavior before the murders had been discovered. However, he was arrested and charged with rape and murder in the Western District Court of Kentucky. He will be tried in that court on April 29, 2009. His attorney has filed documents for an insanity defense.

Higher Punishment for Killing Fellow Servicemen Than Iraqis

Punishment for murder of other U.S. service members is dramatically higher than for murder of Iraqi and Afghan civilians.

In April 2003, US Army Sergeant Hasan Akbar, a member of the 101st Airborne Division, allegedly threw grenades into a tent at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait that killed two officers and wounded 14. Akbar was sentenced to death in April 2005.

In June 2005, US Army 42nd Infantry Division Staff Sergeant Alberto Martinez allegedly killed two superior officers with an anti-personnel mine and grenades inside one of Saddam Hussein's palaces, near Tikrit, Iraq. Martinez's court-martial is underway at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. If convicted, he could face the death penalty.

Earlier this week, on September 14, 2008, two US Army soldiers, assigned to the 3rd Infantry Division, were shot and killed, reportedly by another soldier at their base, near the town of Iskandariyah, about 30 miles south of Baghdad. The soldier who reportedly killed the two others is confined and will be brought before a military magistrate this week for pretrial procedural determinations.