Erdogan is Erdogan.
On readings Al-jazeera and Jordan Times below tiltles wriiten after Flotilla Massacre, I remembered the Title: "Mubarak is no Abdul Nasser and Galloway is no Salah Eddin" Given at PTT to Yousef Abudayyeh Article, and the other Bullshit posted at that site, smearing Viva Palestina, and Gaza Freedom March. Mubarak is no Nasser, but he is not the enemy, so leave him......
Commrade Yousef Abudayyeh can't "understand why anyone would want to send medical supplies in a break the siege effort through Egypt, and not cut through the borders from Lebanon or Jordan, (which is closer), and be in direct contact with the rogue state that is imposing the siege on the Palestinian people in the first place. "
"So unless these Internationals believe that they can export revolution into Egypt, so the traitor Mubarak Regime can collapse and the border between Gaza and Egypt then can be cracked open, I for one can not see the reason for not tackling the core problem, i.e., ‘Israel’ head on, unless they believe that a heart disease can be treated by putting a band aid on it. "
Most likey, our commrade will not understand why Lenanon's Flotilla would want to break the seage though sea and not cut through Fatima Gate at the borders, he will not understand why Hezbulla would say he has nothing to do with Lenanon's Flotilla.
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Galloway is no Salah Eddin, he is seving another agenda (Iran), "And why are people surprised that someone like Galloway is in this for a reason other than breaking the siege ? .......
"People ,and I can name many Palestinian national leaders benefited from the suffering of our people many times and many are still are. So why someone like Galloway is beyond this ?
Why are you afraid of facing the loud and clear facts that is coming from people who dealt with these types first hand ? I believe that knowing the facts will help our people and their true supporters weed out the bad apples. ....."
And here Lamis Andoni Saying: Erdogan 'is no Gamal Abdel Nasser'
I agree generally with her but I don't like her title. Don't missundertand me, I am not saying Erdogan is the New Nasser, but I don't blame people saying that.
Erdogan is Erdogan, and Nasralla is Nasralla, though Arab masses consider him the New Nasser.
Yes Nasser "commanded an unrivalled influence over the Arab intelligentsia and masses during the late 1950s and 1960s, until his premature death in 1970." because the Arab Arab intelligentsia and masses of late 1950s and 1960 are not nowadays bought and demosticated intelligentsia and branwashed masses, divided into Sunna and Sheaa. May be this would explain why some Sunni arabs are suspicoius about Iran and Sheaa Nasrallah, and why 1950s and 1960 Shea Arabs were not suspicious about Sunni Naser.
Yes " Regional powers, such as Iran and Turkey, have stepped in to fill a leadership gap that has emerged partly as a result of Egypt's 1979 peace treaty with Israel, the US occupation of Iraq and the general decline in pan-Arab solidarity."
I would add thanks for Assad, the Syrian Fox who, because Syria can't alone fill the leadreship gap, and with realistic reading of the policies inivted Iran and Turkey to step in.
I think Lamis is hinting to Syria in Saying: "Even as Turkey is attacked in the West for supposedly "turning eastward" and favouring its "cultural affinity" with Muslim countries, the Arab world continues to see it as a bridge to the West and a potential mediator with the US and Israel." Because Moderate Arabs don't need a mediator with the US and Israel.
I claim Assad in calling Turkey to sponsor indirect talks with the zionist entity smartly played on the Turkish "declared goal of being a bridge between East and West" I calain he knows in Advance that Turkish Mediation shall lead to nowhere. By Nowhere I mean Peace with the Jewish State.
When Assad proposes regional alliance with Iran and Turkey, the Palestinian Idiot, "Based on the alliance proposed by Assad" expected a "joint Syrian-Iraqi-Turkish-Israeli-U.S.-Iranian military exercises pretty soon? Why not? It is all for "regional stability" and to defeat "Al-Qaeda!"
The same Idiot, on seieng the real Turkish-Israeli Flotilla exercise in Mediterian, and Erdogan's casting as a hero in the Arab imagination, he tuned 180 degree to ask Erdogan not to trust Arab traitors (The traitors are Syria, Hezbullah and Arab masses)
Finally don't miss reading the Zionist Advise posted below the other article calling Erdogan as New Nasser.
"The Muslim Arabs should be more careful choosing their hero`s of age."
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Jordan Times: Turkish PM Erdogan is the new Gamal Abdel Nasser
By Lamis Andoni
A recent poll has revealed that 43 per cent of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip view Turkey as the regional country that is most supportive of their cause.
The survey was conducted following the deadly Israeli interception of a Gaza-bound international aid flotilla that claimed the lives of nine Turkish nationals.
Egypt, once the leader of the Arab world, came a very distant second, with just 13 per cent.
Wave of admiration
Even Arab governments seem to have been swept up in this new wave of admiration for Turkey in the wake of its insistence on an apology for and an independent investigation into the deaths of its citizens.
Arab officials reportedly gave Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, a very enthusiastic reception at the Turkish-Arab Economic Forum in Istanbul earlier this month.
The Turkish position simultaneously embarrasses many Arab governments by exposing their weakness vis-à-vis Israel, while also bolstering the official Arab stand against Israel's arrogant dismissal of Arab rights and demands.
Turkey is not perceived as a threat to Arab regimes as its influence does not undermine Arab governments at home.
Force for moderation
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The Turkish prime minister has been cast as the new hero of the Palestinian cause [AFP] |
In fact, many Islamic writers view Turkey's ruling Justice and Development party (AKP) as the vanguard of a liberal Islamic movement seeking to take its rightful place in the international arena.
But the rise of Turkish influence is also a testimony to the decline of pan-Arab power and the absence of strong leadership in the Arab world.
Regional powers, such as Iran and Turkey, have stepped in to fill a leadership gap that has emerged partly as a result of Egypt's 1979 peace treaty with Israel, the US occupation of Iraq and the general decline in pan-Arab solidarity.
But while Iran, which is widely perceived as a strong counterbalance to Israel, is viewed with suspicion by most Arab governments and even members of the intelligentsia, Turkey is generally seen as less threatening and as a force for stability in the region.
The Arab street
Even as Turkey is attacked in the West for supposedly "turning eastward" and favouring its "cultural affinity" with Muslim countries, the Arab world continues to see it as a bridge to the West and a potential mediator with the US and Israel.
On the Arab street, however, a new image of Turkey is emerging that is not necessarily reflective of a realistic reading of the policies and statements made in Ankara.
In the wake of the flotilla carnage, the refusal of Turkish leaders to budge on their threats to suspend relations with Israel and, more significantly, their unequivocal demand that the Gaza blockade be lifted, has seen them portrayed in articles and on popular forums as the new leaders in "the Islamic world's struggle to liberate Palestine".
But this is a role Turkey has neither claimed nor coveted.
This casting of Turkey as the champion of the Palestinian cause derives partly from the comparison drawn between Turkey, whose leaders take their country's role and pride seriously, and meek Arab regimes who are vying to be accepted by the US and the West.
Countries and leaders who have challenged Israel and the West have always captured the imagination of the Arab masses, who seek an advocate in the battle against decades of colonialism, Western domination and injustice.
By calling off joint military maneuvers with his country's long-standing ally, Israel, after the latter's war against Gaza and by leaving the podium at Davos after an angry exchange with Shimon Peres, the Israeli president, Erdogan's casting as a hero in the Arab imagination was sealed.
But, while certainly benefiting from his growing personal clout and that of his country among Arabs and Muslims, the Turkish prime minister has not abandoned his declared goal of being a bridge between East and West, as opposed to a champion of the East against the West.
Neo-Ottoman ambition?
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On the Arab street, Turkey has become the new champion of the Palestinian cause [EPA] |
But others warn that Turkey's ambition - often described as neo-Ottoman by its critics - is more concerned with expanding Turkey's sphere of influence than championing just causes.
That may be so and Turkish leaders are open about bidding to become the most important interlocutor for the East - Arabs and Muslims - with the West.
Turkey's so far successful move to fill the leadership void in the region, does not, however, compensate for the absence of Arab leadership.
Erdogan is not the new Gamal Abdel Nasser, the late Egyptian president who commanded an unrivalled influence over the Arab intelligentsia and masses during the late 1950s and 1960s, until his premature death in 1970.
Neither he nor his outspoken intellectual foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, are - or yearn to be - the saviours of Arabs and Muslims.
If anything Turkey could be a stabilising force in the Arab world, but only the Arab world can decide how that will benefit it.
The fact that Egypt came second in the Palestinian survey signals both the decline of the Egyptian leadership of the Arab world and the persistence of its special place in Arab politics.
NATO member Turkey stands to gain from being a mediator between the Arab world and Israel - speaking its mind and becoming a hero in the process.
But for Egypt, acting as the go-between between Israel and Arab states has only served to diminish its power. And Turkey's rising influence cannot compensate for that absence of an Arab leader, for it is neither its duty nor its role to protect Arab interests.
Lamis Andoni is an analyst and commentator on Middle Eastern and Palestinian affairs.
The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.
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Below is an Article written by Michel Nawfal (originaly posted at Jordan times) Via the Zionist site: News That Maters
Please read the Zionist's comment on the article
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Jordan Times: Turkish PM Erdogan is the new Gamal Abdel Nasser
Jordan Times
The uncompromising positions of Erdogan, has led the led the Arab street to consider him like a new Gamal Abdel Nasser.
This is a statement by Michel Nawfal in Jordan Times.
Nawfal is the authored of a book titled «The Return of Turkey to the Orient».
«The growing involvement of Turkey and its engagement in favour of the Palestinians, as well as the uncompromising positions of Erdogan, have led the Arab street to consider him like a new Gamal Abdel Nasser», said Michel Nawfal.
«This new role for Turkey», heir to the Ottoman Empire which ruled most of the Arab world for centuries until its defeat in World War I, «compensates for the weakness of Arab regimes», argued Nawfal.
«It also represents at the same time a positive equivalent to Iran’s» role in the region, he added.
Source: Jordan Times and Agence France-Presse.
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My (Not MINE) comment:
The Muslim World seems to have learnt nothing from the past, their heavy loses in all the wars against the state of Israel.
Like Adolf Hitler lead the Germans to total defeat during World War II, Egyptian dictator Gamal Abdel Nasser lead the pan-Arabic war machine to total defeat in 1956 and 1967.
To fight Israel and harm the Jewish people will be the most stupid thing you will ever do.
The Bible says that God of Israel is the protector of the Jewish state, and that His enemies shall perish.
This does not mean that all Israel is doing is right. But do never harm her. Correct her in love, and stand with her in the Jewish people`s` time of trouble.
In regards to «This new role for Turkey as a heir to the Ottoman Empire», let me remind you:
The Ottoman Empire did not only side with the German Empire during World War I. This Islamic empire was responsible for the genocide of 1,5 million Armenians, in the days just before the «Ottomans» not so heroic collapse.
The Muslim Arabs should be more careful choosing their hero`s of age.
Read more about the Turkish genocide of Armenians:
If Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogùan is the new Nasser, than who is Barack Hussein Obama?
This is a statement by Michel Nawfal in Jordan Times.
Nawfal is the authored of a book titled «The Return of Turkey to the Orient».
«The growing involvement of Turkey and its engagement in favour of the Palestinians, as well as the uncompromising positions of Erdogan, have led the Arab street to consider him like a new Gamal Abdel Nasser», said Michel Nawfal.Turkey’s tough response to Israel’s raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla has cemented its popularity among Arabs, frustrated with their governments’ inability to face up to Israel, analysts say.
«Turkey is no longer considered the Trojan horse of the West in the region» said Nawfal. Turkey was the first Muslim country to establish diplomatic relations with Israel, and the two countries signed a military cooperation accord in 1996.
On Wednesday, Turkey’s parliament unanimously demanded the government review all political, economic and military ties with Israel. A day earlier, in an extraordinary session of Kuwait’s parliament, most deputies hailed what was called «the heroic stance of Ankara». And Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was interrupted by a long round of applause during a speech when he mentioned Turkey’s role.
«This new role for Turkey», heir to the Ottoman Empire which ruled most of the Arab world for centuries until its defeat in World War I, «compensates for the weakness of Arab regimes», argued Nawfal.
«It also represents at the same time a positive equivalent to Iran’s» role in the region, he added.
Source: Jordan Times and Agence France-Presse.
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My (Not MINE) comment:
The Muslim World seems to have learnt nothing from the past, their heavy loses in all the wars against the state of Israel.
Like Adolf Hitler lead the Germans to total defeat during World War II, Egyptian dictator Gamal Abdel Nasser lead the pan-Arabic war machine to total defeat in 1956 and 1967.
To fight Israel and harm the Jewish people will be the most stupid thing you will ever do.
The Bible says that God of Israel is the protector of the Jewish state, and that His enemies shall perish.
This does not mean that all Israel is doing is right. But do never harm her. Correct her in love, and stand with her in the Jewish people`s` time of trouble.
In regards to «This new role for Turkey as a heir to the Ottoman Empire», let me remind you:
The Ottoman Empire did not only side with the German Empire during World War I. This Islamic empire was responsible for the genocide of 1,5 million Armenians, in the days just before the «Ottomans» not so heroic collapse.
The Muslim Arabs should be more careful choosing their hero`s of age.
Read more about the Turkish genocide of Armenians:
River to Sea
Uprooted Palestinian
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